Suggestion`

[Sprinklerstop]

I hear (and read) a lot of people talking about the lop-sidedness of games when there is a lot of experienced players vs. "noobs." I realize PBC tries to avoid this situation, but none the less we still hear the talk. Some people have suggested having two groups on the weekends and PBC has rebutted with the fact that they have tried this in the past with little success.

Here's my suggestion: (Don't beat me up now!! It's just a suggestion.) LoL

Maybe on one of the weekend days, (or maybe even 1/2 of one of the days) create a young players field that only plays host to a range of players from 8-15 years old. Design it to teach them the basic fundementals or just some strategies of the different fields. Then on the 2nd day (or the 2nd 1/2 of one day) let them play with the main group. You could call it the "SpyderZone." Get in the zone!

I don't know what all it would require to make it happen, that's not my job, mine was to come up with the idea. What-d-ya think?:confused1bb:

[icemanja]

the main thing is that youd need a whole seperate ref. in order to do somethin like that youd have to pretty much get a private group thats all that that really is. unless we could actually get a ref to voulnteer for it which is most unlikely since most refs dont like bein shot that much by little kids

[SuPeRmAn]

the problem is the age of the experienced players hince usually 20 to 14or15 so even saying aceertain age doesnt help and also u cant separate good players from bad cuz then how will they get better

[icemanja]

the problem is the age of the experienced players hince usually 20 to 14or15 so even saying aceertain age doesnt help and also u cant separate good players from bad cuz then how will they get better

deffinantly true. some of our best players are 14 and 15

[Sprinklerstop]

It's not a mandatory separation. Just an opportunity PBC is offering. And the suggestion is also not written in stone. Of course it should be reviewed and modified accordingly.

[DM5KILLA]

yah sort of like a paintball 101 for those who have never played or those who are just trying to learn some fundamentals... its a cool idea but then people may feel ashamed to go to the "noob" class

[foxracer09]

it is true the amount of "good or experienced" players on one team and the "not so good" on the other ive been out playing recntly and one team has always dominated the entire day badly..i dont think the whole seprerate field is good but if the refs evened out the teams so its a closer game..which would make everyone better..would be cool.

[Sprinklerstop]

PBC says that is exactly what they attempt to do by evening up the teams. Dispite their best efforts we still have this perception, hence, "the idea."

[DM5KILLA]

yah it is very hard to accurateley judge skills esp. when there is 200 players that u have to judge their skill level and at the same time keeps team even...

[Sprinklerstop]

I'm sure it's very difficult to size eveyone up at a glance. And you have the fact that several people come in groups on the weekends and want to stay together. Not to mention that people are constantly coming and going all day. Doesn't sound at all like an easy job to perform every few hours each Saturday & Sunday.

[DM5KILLA]

yah and often more frequent then that and some people decide after they are lined up that they dont want to play the field we are going to

[Sprinklerstop]

True

[Imnotmexican]

im only 15 and i think that i have more skills than alot of people out there... and anyway PC has a hard enough time managing the crowds on the weekends.
i dont think this "suggestion" would work.

[DM5KILLA]

agreed it would be to hard and it we would lose much needed refs to the "noob" group

[Sprinklerstop]

That's why I put it up for discussion. Didn't expect everyone to agree. Especially those that were directly affected by it.

I think the ref's are something that could be worked out. Private parties are accomodated without taking away from the main group. Just requires a little innovation.

[jojo750]

private parties pay $395+ for 1 referee too.

[jtodd]

and its hard to split up alot of the more skilled players because alot of them want to play together

[RecBallKing!]

and its hard to split up alot of the more skilled players because alot of them want to play together

precisely. its not when you have 1 "super noob pwn3r" on 1 team that the teams get lopsided. its when all the fairly experienced players play together that you have a problem. its a teamwork thing...10 guys working as a team will own 40 experienced players that are each out to get their own any day of the week...

[Rapchizzle]

private parties pay $395+ for 1 referee too.

AND you get three cases of paint!

[himself68]

i agree with casey on this one but the thing also is it would be much too hard to judge skill level... as we have all seen the younger kid w/ the expensive gun namely the 12 yr old that used to come out w/ the red dmc.... maybe the best idea of getting teams to be more even is to split into 4 groups and have 2 groups play on different fields aka team a vs team b on omaha and then team c vs team d on village or something... good idea though

[DM5KILLA]

dont bad mouth chris... he never did anything to u

also this would be a problem the "more experienced" players bad mouthing younger players they def. dont want to here that the first day of there paintball carrers

[norsworthy]

I think that you should try to even teams first. and play a game or two and if one team totally dominates switch up teams instead of just saying whatever and leaving one team killing the other and making little kids never want to play again. And also the other day when i went to PC it seemed as though the refs wanted to see the noobs get killed because one team was stacked with speedball players and we played castle were you couldn't go on the side.

[himself68]

dont bad mouth chris... he never did anything to u

also this would be a problem the "more experienced" players bad mouthing younger players they def. dont want to here that the first day of there paintball carrers

I wasnt bad mouthing him if you were referring to me... but as for the refs i think they do their best

[icemanja]

I wasnt bad mouthing him if you were referring to me... but as for the refs i think they do their best

deff agree with you on that

[Sprinklerstop]

Somehow this has gotten off it's original track. Not unusual reading most of the threads. It is undisputed that the refs at PBC do their very BEST to try to even the teams up every weekend, but for an incredibly large number of reasons it is very hard to do. Not to mention maintain. Once you've got it all figured out, everything changes again.

Now that we know they are doing the best they can, we can now acknowledge that it doesn't always happen. In fact, it's quite often there is a dominant team.

The idea here is ... would some kind of a "clinic" work if attempted. I know several paintball fields out west do this with great success. As a matter of fact the majority of my original post came from an idea created by "Desert Oasis Paintball" in California.