Elections?

[pballer4life]

Just to see what kind of people hang around PBC I was wondering who everyone planned on voting for. If you can't vote just put down who you like best.

[Wubby]

not hiliary clinton

[pballer4life]

Thank god you have some sense.......

[PBMainiac3]

I just want to throw in my 5 cents here
Ron Paul is really the best man for the job. Here are some of his positions.
- He wants to pull our military forces out of everywhere in the world.
- Why?
-We have men stationed on bases around the world in Korea, Japan, Germany, Iraq, and Afghanistan just to name a few. The only countries where a war is going on are Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't care about your position on the war right now, we are pouring money into keeping up bases where nothing is going on. Meanwhile, there is an invasion going on if you haven't noticed. And yes, it's a military invasion on US soil. Oh, you didn't know? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=088_1192682853&p=1
- Ron Paul wants to close the border. Bout damn time in my opinion.
- Ron Paul wants to stop automatic citizenship for children orn to illegal aliens in our country. They are also known as "anchor babies".
- Paul also wants to abolish NAFTA and CAFTA. Don't know what these are? Let me educate you.
-The North American Trade Agreement and Central American Trade Agreement basically open our borders to trade. Is that so bad? Yes. It allows Mexican truck drivers with no US paperwork to cross into the US. Could be carrying goods (legal), people (illegal), weapons (illegal), bombs (illegal), etc.
- Paul voted against the Patriot Act, which basically allows police to search your home or car without a warrant. There goes your rights as defined in the Bill of Rights. It was intended for immigrants, to check for weapons. It is abused against the common citizen every day.
- Voted against an international highway linking Canada and Mexico (NAFTA)
- Paul supports the right to bear arms (2nd amendment)
- He wants to get rid of health care for illegals. Basically, this will make it so Uncle Sam can't steal your tax dollars and give it to illegals. Horray!
Any more questions, just ask.

Oh and watch the video in my sig.

I'm open for debate, too. Good luck if you support Hillary, Edwards, or Giuliani is all I can say.

[Wubby]

theres two things that will start a HUGE argument with no end, and that religion and politics. i look for a good argument in this thread but i won't stop it.

im not 18 so i can't vote, but i do know as long as Obama or Clinton don't become president, we are fine.

[himself68]

ABC- ANYBODY BUT CLINTON.... if you read her track record she has somethings on there such as, embezalling money from chinese triad gangs, and turning to the russian black market for campaign funds... i dont think we want that as leading the free world... also when clinton was president that guy cut the military in half and in 1996 funded north korea with the power to build nuclear weapons... in 2007 they had a nuke pointed right at us until george w bush talked them down... one of the things he will never be remembered for because people just seem to love to hate him so much.

[DM5KILLA]

Let me start off by saying that the likeliness of ANY republican taking office this year is slim to none, so that leaves us with the democrats, these 3 are IMO just hopeless, for reasons i don't feel need to be mentioned:
Bill Richardson 0
Dennis Kucinich 0
Mike Gravel 0
(those 0's stand for number of delegate votes or pledges they got in the first caucus in IOWA) so that leaves, Obama, Clinton, and Edwards, I want to precede this by saying I am not sexist, but something tells me that if Clinton is elected shes gonna try and give women the dominate position in an American household, not to say that it will be successful, but it is a scary thought, so that leaves Obama and Edwards, which is who i would love to see on the ticket, TOGETHER, Obama 4 Prez, and Edwards as VP, even if Edwards doesn't make VP, he will likely be AG, so id be happy, Thats my 2 cents, id like to finish this with: "It's a good year to be a democrat!"


P.s: i know certain MODS are Republican but i hope they wont censor me and delete this

[Mikesac]

but i do know as long as Obama or Clinton don't become president, we are fine.

so what r u trying to say with this, u dont want a women as president or r u saying it will jsu tnvr happen and whell have another old white guy?

[himself68]

billy slim to none, only against obama or edwards... heres the thing... if clinton wins prelims and becomes the candidate, many people hate her, possibly more than like her... rudy is a very moderate republican at that so basically if its giuliani against clinton i believe guiliani, the moderate republican, and beat out the anti christ herself hillary clinton

[PBMainiac3]

I am quite passionate about who is becoming president because I am seriously thinking about a career in the military.
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
So it's kind of important that the president is a good one and he also obeys the Constitution. (Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist in principle)
Obama has a lot of support. I have found I can beat many Obama supporters in a debate. It's a touchy subject politics, but I am extremely confident in my backing of Ron Paul. Even Dems should consider voting for Paul, he upholds the constitution like no other in the shithole we call Washington.
Face it, this country is the laughing stock of the world. Time to turn it around.
Ron Paul '08

[baller544]

I just want to throw in my 5 cents here
Ron Paul is really the best man for the job. Here are some of his positions.
- He wants to pull our military forces out of everywhere in the world.
- Why?
-We have men stationed on bases around the world in Korea, Japan, Germany, Iraq, and Afghanistan just to name a few. The only countries where a war is going on are Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't care about your position on the war right now, we are pouring money into keeping up bases where nothing is going on. Meanwhile, there is an invasion going on if you haven't noticed. And yes, it's a military invasion on US soil. Oh, you didn't know? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=088_1192682853&p=1
- Ron Paul wants to close the border. Bout damn time in my opinion.
- Ron Paul wants to stop automatic citizenship for children orn to illegal aliens in our country. They are also known as "anchor babies".
- Paul also wants to abolish NAFTA and CAFTA. Don't know what these are? Let me educate you.
-The North American Trade Agreement and Central American Trade Agreement basically open our borders to trade. Is that so bad? Yes. It allows Mexican truck drivers with no US paperwork to cross into the US. Could be carrying goods (legal), people (illegal), weapons (illegal), bombs (illegal), etc.
- Paul voted against the Patriot Act, which basically allows police to search your home or car without a warrant. There goes your rights as defined in the Bill of Rights. It was intended for immigrants, to check for weapons. It is abused against the common citizen every day.
- Voted against an international highway linking Canada and Mexico (NAFTA)
- Paul supports the right to bear arms (2nd amendment)
- He wants to get rid of health care for illegals. Basically, this will make it so Uncle Sam can't steal your tax dollars and give it to illegals. Horray!
Any more questions, just ask.

Oh and watch the video in my sig.

I'm open for debate, too. Good luck if you support Hillary, Edwards, or Giuliani is all I can say.

im all for gettin the military back home, but as for him doing it, the decision isnt left up to him

[pballer4life]

Mikesac it isn't a race thing or gender thing it is a I don't like those canidants thing. I don't like Hilary or Obama either or any democrat running this year. They won't stop my number 1 issue which is illegal immigration. If you vote for either I hope you like funding people who came here illegally and paying for all their stuff. Watch this vid and maybe you'll change you mind.......
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

[himself68]

the only true man that was going to do anything about illegal immigration was tancredo and i think he dropped... i agree illegal immigration is big on my list as well... liberals wont do anything as they think that u can do whatever u want in this country with no consequences... as for calling the united states the laughing stock of the world, just show them aftermath of nagasaki or heroshima and they wont be laughing much longer

[pballer4life]

My parents toured Tancredo all around Chucktown and have his number and everything, he calls often. However, NO DEMOCRAT WILL DO ANYTHING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Tancredo endorsed Romney. In other words Tancredo thinks he'll do the best job. I like Romney but Fred Thompson is my favorite. Ron would make a good president except he sounds like a 4 year old on crack when he talks and is a bit confused on the war.

[clark]

as for calling the united states the laughing stock of the world, just show them aftermath of nagasaki or heroshima and they wont be laughing much longer

Since killing roughly 100,000 people who probably didn't have anything to do with the war is always a good idea, right?

[himself68]

Since killing roughly 100,000 people who probably didn't have anything to do with the war is always a good idea, right?

we hit those cities because they were the main manufactoring cities of japanese war goods... the facts are that by hiting tokyo we could have killed many many more... if we would have waited, japan may have done the same to us, but we will never know thank god!

final point in being Pearl Harbor happened we retaliated, 9/11 happened we retaliated... war is never a good thing, but its something that will never stop so we might as well be on top

[Mikesac]

well iraq war thats going on right now is just a waste weve done our objectives and yet alot of soldiers are still out there. And yet Japan might still have Nuclear weopons and if they go into something like a draft law they might have more ppl that us

[himself68]

Iraq war isnt going so well huh? violence is at its lowest point in 3 years who ever said this war was going to be easy... its not like glk is playing against some scrubbs in village or anything ( a little love for yall)... wars are not easy, but do not believe everything u hear in the news because it is very very liberal run, so they will only report the bad news to try to form a sense of a coup d'tat against bush... ok a coup might have been extreme but still dont listen to the news becuz it is very biased

[PBMainiac3]

Yes, Iraq is going well now, regardless of your stance on if we should have gone in or not. Point is, from now on we need to stay the hell out of international affairs with our military. Keep it here for when we NEED it. It's no just getting troops home, its their job to go out and kill the enemies that our leaders make. It's our leaders that need to stop finding wars.

And yes we are the laughing stock of the entire world. The liberals are too scared that people would think we are mean or hateful if we do something logical. i.e. shooting illegals. Harsh? No. Not when you look at our future as a province of Mexico.

[pballer4life]

All of this is the reason we DON'T need a liberal (democrat) in office (this includes Ron Paul unfortuently). And we were attacked at Peral Harbor and now we were attacked in NYC..... I don't see why people can't understand that we need to retaliate and not sit still like the French would. Get you news for Fox not comedy central Mikesac...... Another thing, what would stop another terrorist attack with an open border like we have now. Osama could be in Arizona the way that Bush is running our border.

[PBMainiac3]

Calling Ron Paul a Liberal would be inaccurate, he is in the middle in terms of liberal/conservative, but he is NOT Republican. Let's get this straight. The Republican party is worthless. The Democratic party is even more worthless. Ron Paul is a Libertarian.
pballer4life, I don't see where you are going with Pearl Harbor, that was a deceleration of war by the Japanese (WWII), and 9/11 was an attack by terrorists that hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. Quite different. World we live in isn't the same as it was 70 years ago. War is fought differently, we have different threats, etc.
AND to clear things up, thee are such things as liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. What we don't need in the White House are Republicans OR Democrats. Both parties have lost their ways.

[pballer4life]

Let me re-phrase my statement..... Ron Paul is slightly more liberal then the other Republican's on the ticket. If both parties have lost their way then what do you wan to do????? Elected a whig?

[pballer4life]

Whoever moved my post, I'm sorry I didn't know there was a non paintball related thread.....

[PBMainiac3]

Paul is in the middle, if that makes him more liberal than a conservative, so be it. Doesn't mean he's wrong, though. I will reiterate myself: RON PAUL IS A LIBERTARIAN. NOT A REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT.

[smitty187]

All governments are a joke and the only answer is anarchy.

[DM5KILLA]

All governments are a joke and the only answer is anarchy.

might as well be with the monkey we've had in office the last 8 years

[thumper]

ABC- ANYBODY BUT CLINTON....

Im pretty much a mega conservative - and I havent seen much in the republican camp that gets me charged up.

Our goventment seems to mess up about everything it touches -- consequently less government is better than more government. (anyone in doubt of this should study the Reconstruction period in our SC history) George W Bush has to go down in history as the biggest big Government president history. By definition - this makes him a liberal - and Im assamed for having voted for him. Not that I liked GW, but Gore seemed too power hungry.

If Ron Paul were electable, Ide lean that way -- his moral values alone could guide him in the more delicate issues - but a vote for him would be a vote against an electable conservative... & I doubt how pragmatic many of his ideas are. I wish he would step out of the race. The repubicans have a fair chance at this race - and Paul could have a negative impact on those chances - especially in the frusterated Christian base.

That leaves Mitt Romney & Huckabee... Im ok either way right now. Huckabee would likely be the best for the country in general, Mitt would be the best for the middle class (and my business).

I'de ask either to do some Tort Reform to eliminate the lawsuits that lowers the insurance for the docters and hospitals - so they dont have to pass that cost on to us.... (hey universal healthcare - the american way!!!)

factoid: between 2002 and 2007 insurance premiums rose 78% -- compared to inflation of 17% and wages of 19% --
http://www.kff.org/insurance/7692.cfm




----

On the liberal side of the fence -- Obama seems a brilliant man. Im thrilled to see him sticking it to Hillary. She is just scarey to invision as the commander and chief of the most powerfull military on the planet, and generally seems to hate business people - small business in specific. If she only knew how hard it is to make a small business work, she would show it a lot more respect. American is small business. Any candidate should know that. Duh!

[DM5KILLA]

I do not want hillary, but can u imagine having Bill Clinton as First Lady

[pballer4life]

I think it would be a good idea to have Bill Clinton as the first lady. He humiliation will be completed with that.

[pballer4life]

Who is the "other" person running anyway?

[DM5KILLA]

Who is the "other" person running anyway?

there are smaller candidates running... also independent party candidates

For more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008)

[PBMainiac3]

Who is the "other" person running anyway?

"Other" can be whoever isn't listed. From Green Party candidates to Squirrels. Also, Ron Paul happens to be classified as "Other" when they call you and ask if you like Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee, etc. Luckily, we have enough sense around here to put Ron Paul in our polls.

Hillary won't even win the nomination, this country isn't THAT stupid. However, there is a lot of support for Obama, and I want to see why. Many people I know just like him as a person, which has nothing to do with being a good president.

Who supports Obama and why?

Oh AND ONE LAST THING
What is the deal with Ron Paul not being "electable"? Someone please tell me why you think that because I cannot grasp what you are saying. If it is what I think it is, be prepared to defend that statement. :growl5cj:
Thanks much.
-F

[pballer4life]

Well he isn't very high in the polls right now which doesn't give him a very high ability to be president. He also turns many people away, like me, becasue of his views on the war. If he went my way on the war he would definitely have my vote.

[PBMainiac3]

OK give me your definition of the war, opinion on the war, and who you support.

I have this to say.. Bill Clinton was electable. Not a good president. George Bush was great, electable, had great positions. Turned out he was a lying scumbag and failed as our leader.

[DM5KILLA]

OK give me your definition of the war, opinion on the war, and who you support.

I have this to say.. Bill Clinton was electable. Not a good president. George Bush was great, electable, had great positions. Turned out he was a lying scumbag and failed as our leader.

Why wasnt Bill Clinton a good president? so hes a sexually active male... who isnt? other than that he was a pretty decent President and seriously there should be an IQ requirement of at least 120 to run in the election, that we prevent another G DUBYA B

[PBMainiac3]

OK so he should have done that, as a married man, in the Oval Office, and then lied about it by your logic? You think he was a good president? I can tell you why you are wrong.
- He supported NAFTA, legalizing illegal immigrants, and giving them full rides to education, healthcare, and welfare.
- supported more welfare and healthcare all around
- Opposed making English our OFFICIAL language. (Legal documents written in English only)
- Would rather have Americans learn Spanish than Mexicans learn English.
- opposed tax cuts, then raised taxes.
- Supported abortion
- REQUIRE hiring women and minorities
- opposing position on the war in Iraq.
- Bill's "let me think about it" meant "I'll ask Hillary".

Things I favored about him are:
- Mandatory 3 strikes Laws
- Allow the death penalty

But that's it.
You can't be a good president if you lie blatantly like he did, about something as black and white as that, and I'm not saying presidents don't lie. But he lied to the entire nation about his little affair, and he generally ignores the Constitution. His policies generally suck.

Still waiting on that opinion of the war and whatnot because that's the real important argument I need to hear.

[himself68]

you also forgot that in 1996 he gave north korea the technology and funded them w/ the money to build what he called at the time "nuclear sources of energy" they turned out to be nukes

[DeepFreeze]

Don't forget how many times he sent troops to fight overseas. He never did it as blatently as Bush, but rather had them lead UN missions everywhere.
Personally I will be voting for Obama unless something changes my mind over the next 10 months. I believe in voting for the person that will benefit me the most (I have been a staunch Republican since I joined the military for obvious reasons but not this year). He was the first to try to stop the Republicans from busting unions. The Obama bill was shot down by Republicans last year which would have required the FAA to go back to the bargaining table instead of imposing work rules on the union which has decimated the ATC work force.

[himself68]

AND he cut in the military in half so he stretched us beyond our means

[SCBrian]

OK, for the record, I'm a Libertarian. Voted that way for years. The Libertarian party supports, among other things a return to constitutional government. Whats this mean to you? Less government = less taxes for starters (ask Skeeter about taxes). Less government intrusion into personal lives. Let me ask a question.. How many of you in the last election voted "for the lesser of the two evils?" Bull. Find someone you like and vote for them. How many of you have been raised to vote straight ticket, without even knowing the issues or who is running? Bull! As far as I'm concerned, that's as bad as not voting. For god sake people. this is your country. DO something about it. Find someone who believes the same as you do and vote for them!

That being said, I hope all the posters in this forum keep the rhetoric and brainwashing outta here. Check you facts. While I like you PBM and your opinion, don't spin anything.

You think he was a good president? I can tell you why you are wrong.
- He supported NAFTA...

And so did his predecessor G H. Bush, and I quote from Wiki:
"..NAFTA was initially pursued by corporate interest in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992, subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries, especially among intellectuals who stated that it was an ill-conceived initiative. In the United States, NAFTA was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative priority in 1993. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor, 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans, and 1 independent against),[7] and the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38.[8]..."

So that being said, more Republicans voted for it to pass than Democrats. However, notice 4 times as many Democrats, and 1 independent voted against it than republicans.

NAFTA is Big business. Plain and Simple. And yes, it is harder to get products into Mexico legally than illegals out.

...You can't be a good president if you lie blatantly like he did, about something as black and white as that, and I'm not saying presidents don't lie. But he lied to the entire nation about his little affair, and he generally ignores the Constitution. His policies generally suck.
..."
And arguably some of the most well liked presidents in the nations history did as well. Kennedy (Marilyn Monroe?), Nixon (Water Gate). Politicians lie, to get your vote. Politicians Lie to get you to like them, Politicians lie when questioned on tons of topics. Politicians all wish we'd stop asking questions and demanding answers so they can keep the status quo.

Ask this why did Ron Paul not run under the Libertarian flag. The nature of this country and the political forces driving it don't want anything to tip the status quo. The Libertarian party, is the 3rd largest political party in the US when is the last time they've been invited to a debate. The Greens, the Independats, and all the other parties are not invited to the debates.
Wanna see something interesting?

http://rockthedebates.org/

[himself68]

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson or James Madison? "the government that rules least rules best"


** Thomas Paine thank u

[SCBrian]

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson or James Madison? "the government that rules least rules best"

Thomas Payne

[PBMainiac3]

Real quick on Bill Clinton:
Yes I do believe he gave important secret information to the wrong people. Yes he did cut spending for the military. Yes I agree these things are bad. Didn't want to mention them because everyone always cites them and I wanted to point out some other things he did. I digress.

Paul isn't under the Libertarian flag because he gets more attention as a Republican. Yes every politician lies, but I think Paul is unique here and he really is true on what he believes is right. I can't say that for any other candidate, which is why I have such strong support for Paul.

And finally @ George H. W. Bush, he was worthless. He was a slump of a president. Being a Democrat or Republican doesn't make you a good/bad president. I personally disagree with the Democrats' fundamental foundations. I did a research paper on H.W. Bush freshman year of high school, and he really didn't do much. Typical Republican, blends in, did nothing extraordinary. Ron Paul can do something extraordinary, unlike Romney, Giuliani, or Huckabee in my opinion.

If you watch a video of Ron Paul, (check my sig for just one of many out there) he actually speaks from his heart and soul, speaks quickly and decisively. He doesn't pepper it up and disguise the answer, it's what he really believes. There's not enough of that today.

[PBMainiac3]

http://rockthedebates.org/

Checked out that link. I noticed how Obama and Clinton dodged the question, and Huckabee said he only cared because of 4 more people on the stage.
Paul and Tommy Thomson were more energetic and true, if you will.

[pballer4life]

War is:
1. A conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. A state or period of armed hostility or active military operations.
3. Active hostility or contention; conflict; contest.

All of which are going on in the War in the Middle East.......
( I like and am supporting Fred Thompson/Mitt Romney.)

[pballer4life]

ScBrian I don't think that PBMainiac3 ever said that he liked the way that Republican's supported NAFTA but that was on his list of "bad" things for The devil himself: Bill Clinton....

[thumper]

"
What is the deal with Ron Paul not being "electable"?


1) many voters vote the part line - especially on presidential elections. Congressmen also support their partyline with extreme prejustice.
2) historically when is the last time a third party won a presidential election?
3) how well do you remember Ross Perot in the 1992 presidential race?
4) Pat Buchananan's efforts?

from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot
In the 1992 election, he received 18.9% of the popular vote - approximately 19,741,065 votes - (but no electoral college votes), making him the most successful Independent presidential candidate in terms of the popular vote since Theodore Roosevelt in the 1912 election. Perot managed to finish second in two states: In Maine, Perot received 30.44% of the vote to Bush's 30.39% (Clinton won Maine with 38.77%); In Utah, Perot received 27.34% of the vote to Clinton's 24.65% (Bush won Utah with 43.36%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_buchanan

In the 110th congress, the demogratic congressmen voted on average the part line 88% of the time and the republicans 80.9%
Republican, and the independents 89.1% of the time.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/party-voters/

from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party-line-voting

This means if you want an independent president, you may want to send a few independent congressmen to congress to help them out - before they run.


hope this helps.

[thumper]

I'm leaning Mitt Romey right now unless this thing turns back to focus on foreign relations. seems like the race is more "change" focused right now. Its pretty scarey to look at all the options right now in regards to the world politic.

I halfway wish Condoleezza Rice were running, but she may be better suited as sec state or national security advisor -- pretty amazing person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice
(( She is infinitely more qualified than Hillary ))

[PBMainiac3]

On the "War"
I used to believe we were fighting over there and doing good yada yada. Paul recently said he wants to withdraw, unlike any other Republican. His reasons are quite simple when I thought about it.
He wants out because it is easier for terrorists (insurgents) to attack our boys if they are over there in THEIR sand. It's a lot harder for an attack to happen on US soil. The jihadists want Americans dead. Why come all the way over to America and probably be foiled by the CIA/FBI? It is far easier for them to pick up an RPK, AK-4, Dragunov sniper rifle, or RPG and fire it at our guys, then run away.

Our military can defeat any other organized military on the face of this earth. However, we aren't fighting a conventional war over there. We are being shot at by fanatics, then we chase them down. Not a 'normal' war where two flags are fighting each other. Many people refuse to say they want out of Iraq, but here is the solution: pull out our major military forces just standing around, getting killed, and wasting tax dollars. Send in the SEALS, Army Special Forces, Army Rangers, Air Force Special Tactics, and Marine Force Recon to places we have sound Intel on, and strike the enemy. Not wait to be shot at while directing traffic. Our soldiers are trained to kill, not give candy out to Iraqi children.
Special Forces are the key.

[DM5KILLA]

but an attack on us soil is what lit the metaphorical match of our country's current war

[PBMainiac3]

but an attack on us soil is what lit the metaphorical match of our country's current war

Yes, true, but also remember that that match was struck against Bin Laden's forehead. Him and other terrorist groups linked to the attack and such. However, now we are entangled in Iraq losing our men needlessly. Is it a good thing to do, overthrow a tyrant, save people, etc.? YES! Is it our job? NO!

RP also wants to pull out of the UN, another great idea.

I still haven't heard anything good about Obama here. He's a middle of the road liberal, he's young and hip, hes got a lot of votes. Good candidate? I don't think so and I can tell you why, but I won't spend half an hour giving you reasons not to vote for him if nobody has any opposition to the fact he isn't the best choice out there.

[DeepFreeze]

At least you admit that you are anti union. You say nobody has said anything good about Obama here and yet I stated facts that show he has been pro union for years and against the Republican union busting that has been going on during this administration.

[Apache Dude]

I am probably more Libertarian minded than anyone else on this board and I agree with Ron Paul in principle, but when it comes to who can be president, you have to look at electability. Paul cannot garner the votes. We are stuck with a 2 party system for now and things will not change this year. Just follow the money...and you will know what I mean. If Paul does go third party, or even Bloomberg for that matter, they will only be a spoiler and ensure a democratic victory. Now I am definitely anit-Hillary, to see her elected would be the "Sum of all Fears". She is the worst manipulator I have ever seen; just look at the ruse in NH of her crying to make her look more personable...it worked! If you believe that was true, I have some swampland in Moncks Corner to sell ya. Hell, I was pulling for Obama in NH just to see the look of disgust on her face. But, there is something you need to know about Obama, he scares the HELL out of the republican establishment. Why, because he is electable and can generate huge momentum that will draw many independent voters and moderate republicans. For this reason, Hillary needs to be the democratic candidate. She is the only chance republicans have of winning...why, she still polarizes too many voters and will not get cross over votes.

Now who can win against Hillary...Giuliani is too vulnerable, the Clinton machine will tear him apart. Pretty boy Romney has the looks, the style, the money, but again the Clintonistas will butcher him and make Hillary look like an evangelical Christian vs a Mormon...sorry to say it , but these people play that dirty...and it would work. Huckabee still looks too much like a one trick pony, although it has surprised me he has done so well this far. He may have a chance as long as the Clinton machine does not dig up something that contradicts his "wholesome image"...the guy, after all, is from Arkansas, so odds are they know some dirt on him! Plus, I don't think big money will line up behind him...which we would need to win against Hilter...ah, I mean Hillary.

Now if Hillary gets the nod, which still looks like it may be the case, I believe that McCain has the best chance. He may be a little old, but he is independent minded enough to pull a large middle ground vote from the Blue States and still republican enough to turn out a good Red State vote electoral college vote %.

There you have it folks...if Obama get the nod, he goes all the way, if Hillary gets it and McCain get the nod, McCain wins, if any other republican gets the nod and goes against Hillary...well, I may be moving to a tropical island somewhere far away!

[pballer4life]

ccmkid9 you are not what I'd call a real voter. If you will vote for someone because they arn't a white guy over 55 then you arn't a real voter. Deepfreeze at least you back your canident up with the facts..... Obama isn't even black.....he is mixed. He can call himself black but the honest truth is he is just as black as he is white.....

[pballer4life]

And another thing. I don't know if this is happening or not but please do not get on a or make new usernames just to make sure your canident has more votes. Ppl lets keep the poll un-tampered.

[DM5KILLA]

what i want to know is WTF happened in ew hamppshire??? doesnt matter SC is next... idk if Edwards will pulll more votes from sc because hes from here, or if the majority will lean more toward obama or even hillary (god i hope not)

as far as the republicans go my money is on huckabee, because Stephen Colbert(from SC) endorsed him...

[pballer4life]

I hate huccybee his name doesn't even fit the term President. huccy ,huckmister, hukinator....It is b/c of all the crazy overly-religious christsians down here that will make him win.

[DM5KILLA]

I hate huccybee his name doesn't even fit the term President. huccy ,huckmister, hukinator....It is b/c of all the crazy overly-religious christsians down here that will make him win.


that is by far the stupidest reason i have ever heard not to vote for someone... not that you can vote[nor can i (unless i were born 45 days earlier)]

[pballer4life]

Ok...fine I'll expand on that comment. The man is confused. He is blinded and can't see right form wrong. He wants all the illegal immigrants here because we are "all God's children". We have too many southern baptists down here and they will all vote for him just b/c he is baptist. That would be like someone voting for Obama b/c he is mixed not b/c they like what he is saying..... And Billy answer my PM's!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeepFreeze]

Ok...fine I'll expand on that comment. The man is confused. He is blinded and can't see right form wrong. He wants all the illegal immigrants here because we are "all God's children". We have too many southern baptists down here and they will all vote for him just b/c he is baptist. That would be like someone voting for Obama b/c he is mixed not b/c they like what he is saying..... And Billy answer my PM's!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know about that. I am a Baptist and I won't be voting for him.

[pballer4life]

Well honestly IDK who'd I'd go with between Obama and Huckabee. They both don't solve my #1 issue. Remeber I said overly-religious,crazy,evengelical christians (not all baptists are like that). Not the guy (like me) who goes 2 times a month would vote for him.....

[DeepFreeze]

I don't recall any of your posts saying that, unless you categorize all "southern baptists" are "overly-religious, crazy, evengelical christians?

[DM5KILLA]

Ok...fine I'll expand on that comment. The man is confused. He is blinded and can't see right form wrong. He wants all the illegal immigrants here because we are "all God's children"


Actually he is supporting renforcing the american borders, saying it should be at least as hard to get into the US as it is to get on a plane in your hometown .... im not republican but that seems good to me...

about the me answering your pm thing: NO

[DM5KILLA]

HILLARY FANS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo

[Saint50]

Please Please Please dont be Clinton or Oboma, I really dont feel like moving to Canada....

[pballer4life]

My parents said if a Democrat gets into office this year, we are moving to Canada. And they are being serious not just joking around.....

[DM5KILLA]

My parents said if a Democrat gets into office this year, we are moving to Canada. And they are being serious not just joking around.....


thats funny because i heard the United Nations say if a republican gets into office this year that they were abandoning the US and going to quit trying for world peace because its pretty much futile...:rolleyes5cz:

[DeepFreeze]

Please Please Please dont be Clinton or Oboma, I really dont feel like moving to Canada....

I can pretty much guarantee it won't be Oboma, since I haven't heard of anyone with that name running.

[DeepFreeze]

My parents said if a Democrat gets into office this year, we are moving to Canada. And they are being serious not just joking around.....

That is a great idea, since the Republican party has done such a great job running the country lately. BTW, until last year I was a staunch Republican. I even had a friend of mine who has been a Democrat his entire life call me up laughing because he knew I would be voting Democrat last year.....He was right.

[thumper]

... laughing because he knew I would be voting Democrat last year.....He was right.

deep - while I call myself a diehard conservative, I dont have a clue what the hell the republican party is anymore. Seems pretty soft in the head, and long on spending away the treasury to me. This remind anyone else of the situation leading into the Nixon years??

[DM5KILLA]

http://www.americanheritage.com/assets/images/articles/web/20051117-nixon.jpg


"i am not a crook"

[Brain]

thats funny because i heard the United Nations say if a republican gets into office this year that they were abandoning the US and going to quit trying for world peace because its pretty much futile...:rolleyes5cz:

OMG, kick the UN out of the USA pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. It is a useless corrupt organization, kind of like our Government (democrats and republicans combined)

[DM5KILLA]

OMG, kick the UN out of the USA pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. It is a useless corrupt organization, kind of like our Government (democrats and republicans combined)

i agree but think of the alternative anarchy that would come with that

[PBMainiac3]

OMG, kick the UN out of the USA pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. It is a useless corrupt organization, kind of like our Government (democrats and republicans combined)

Brain, you so wise.

[SCBrian]

i agree but think of the alternative anarchy that would come with that

Anarchy from kicking out the UN? are you nuts? The UN is there to do a job, who says they can't do it in Siberia? How about Greenland? Hell I say send them to whatever "hot spot" is fighting. May actually get them off their butts to solve the problems. The only reason they have the UN in NY, is for the "culture". Hell with that. Send them to Siberia, so they can get some work done.

[DM5KILLA]

Anarchy from kicking out the UN? are you nuts? The UN is there to do a job, who says they can't do it in Siberia? How about Greenland? Hell I say send them to whatever "hot spot" is fighting. May actually get them off their butts to solve the problems. The only reason they have the UN in NY, is for the "culture". Hell with that. Send them to Siberia, so they can get some work done.

OMG, kick the UN out of the USA pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. It is a useless corrupt organization, kind of like our Government (democrats and republicans combined)

i meant anarchy from kicking out our government (democrats and republicans combined)

[pink boy]

your write definetly not hilary clinton (she scares me)

[colin2722]

you spelled right wrong. yet i do agree, with her history and her plans our country could go to hell if she gets in the office.

[pballer4life]

Barak Hussien Obamba isn't much better to be honest. (Same with Mccain...

[colin2722]

Mccain won sc last night, interupted my show to announce it about 5 times. pissed me off.

[PBMainiac3]

McCain is all on the fence with illegal immigration, wants to pardon illegals and stuff. The whole thing is a mess really