Opening date

[Brain]

July 6th will be the grand re-opening of our speedball field.

[DM5KILLA]

Hazzah!

[TheRun&GunGuy]

Hip hip hooray!!

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

when will people be allowed to play on it?

[Brain]

Are you serious??


.......

[Phantom549]

i might come out there to check things out, watch people play. i've never played speedball before.... well if you count 15 vs 15 in a private party then maybe lol.

[Junkie]

I just removed 5 posts. Please stay on topic. :)

[Brain]

Usually on a grand opening day people are allowed in so to clarify....
July 6th will be the reopening of the speedball field so people can play speedball.

[bluemidget123]

are the speedball refs going to split all the GLK kids up like the recball refs do?

[SCBrian]

Brain, I think what Casey was aiming for was after the Grand re-opening, will speedball only be open on certain days of the week (like before), or will it be open the same days the Rec field will be open?

[Brain]

maybe he should be more specific. All I do is make the fields. I don't schedule the days they are open except the first day they are ready.

[IRONMIKE]

I have volunteered to ref speedball.If I'm allowed I figure I'll run rec speedball kinda like rec play- even up the teams.However, if a team(like GLK) wants to scrimmage/practice with a team (like MMK)and the other players present have no objection,that's cool.For example, team Tsunami has asked to practice with MMK.For a couple of 5-7 minute games I don't see a problem.After all,how do you get to World Cup?PRACTICE.

[fatmattmark]

I'm glad that we will be able to play again. thanks brain and skeeter. and to mike as well for reffing it. this should be fun.

[jojo750]

I have volunteered to ref speedball.If I'm allowed I figure I'll run rec speedball kinda like rec play- even up the teams.However, if a team(like GLK) wants to scrimmage/practice with a team (like MMK)and the other players present have no objection,that's cool.For example, team Tsunami has asked to practice with MMK.For a couple of 5-7 minute games I don't see a problem.After all,how do you get to World Cup?PRACTICE.


i thought they needed a certified referee on every field. that was one of the hangups before, skeeter didnt have extra refs for the speedball field.

and i take i-95 to i-4 straight to world cup. every year.:wink0st:

[jojo750]

sorry, i mean no disrespect to mr.mike, but he used the term "volunteer", and that is why i asked if there would be a paid, on staff referee on the field.


side note, please post what parameters are for the speedball field:

ramp or semi?
if ramp, old psp (15.4) or new psp (13.3)
chrono speed ? 285 or 300

and most importantly, price to play.

thanks for the info.

[IRONMIKE]

I think semi and 300 fps.

[jojo750]

I think semi and 300 fps.

hard to practice for cup if they go with semi. just my .02.

[DM5KILLA]

my bet is on 285 to keep it consistent....

[lolipop-tithead]

I'd like to hear what the "rules" are also. I think they should follow the current Leagues' rules. I prefer PSP/CFOA since that's what most of the southeast plays. I say PSP firing modes and 300 fps. Seems to me like to have a good current speedball oriented field you would need to cater to the practicing needs of players. I guess it will all be up to the owners' decision.

...My two cents.

[bluemidget123]

I'd like to hear what the "rules" are also. I think they should follow the current Leagues' rules. I prefer PSP/CFOA since that's what most of the southeast plays. I say PSP firing modes and 300 fps. Seems to me like to have a good current speedball oriented field you would need to cater to the practicing needs of players. I guess it will all be up to the owners' decision.

...My two cents.

makes perfect sense to me

[DeepFreeze]

More than likely it will be up to what the insurance companies requirements are. If it doesn't end up the way you are hoping remember that PBC is fully insured and has to follow their policy rules as well as their own wishes.

[jojo750]

More than likely it will be up to what the insurance companies requirements are. If it doesn't end up the way you are hoping remember that PBC is fully insured and has to follow their policy rules as well as their own wishes.

last year (speedball side) ramping was allowed and people chrono'd to 300.

[Deeply Disturbed]

Im shooting joey in the butt the first game.

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

ur gonna play speedball and be a store worker? thats unheard of. where are your "loyalties" ryan?

[jojo750]

Im shooting joey in the butt the first game.

not possible if im not out there.:rofl8yi:

[Paco]

285 or 300 really makes no difference. I don't care what you're practicing for, 15 fps is not a factor. Most tournaments are played around 10 fps below the limit anyhow.

[jojo750]

285 or 300 really makes no difference. I don't care what you're practicing for, 15 fps is not a factor. Most tournaments are played around 10 fps below the limit anyhow.

yeah, but just want to be on the same page as everyone else on the field.

[glkbigbk]

joey just wants to hurt people is all

[smitty187]

i think i am going to play on this occasion

[bluemidget123]

well if Smitty is gonna be there, then i might have to roll out too!

[HowdoISpellSpeedball]

As in like Private parties or anyone? and are you going to do anymore tournies?

[DirtyD123]

i might try to make it out there...its the weekend after cfoa peach state open...so it depends on money...hopefully see you all ou there

[a2nadam]

So its def gonna be open July 6th right? Running like it was in the old days, with pretty much walkons and games whenever anyone felt like it?

[jojo750]

So its def gonna be open July 6th right? Running like it was in the old days, with pretty much walkons and games whenever anyone felt like it?

for july 6th, yes.
after that, it has been decided for posted on if speedball will be used on saturday or sunday yet (talked to geoff the other day).
guess they will see what kind of turnout there is then go from there.

[Skeeter]

Update on rules:

The 285 vs 300 FPS argument: Many reasons not to adjust this rule. We will keep both formats at 285 FPS. This will prevent MANY headaches down the line.

As for ramping: I just talked to the president of the APL, and ramping is still not allowed, but there are several loopholes that the underwriters are fighting over. Our (Bob and I) plan is to present the option to allow ramping ONLY for speedball tournaments or practices (citing the current PSP guidelines). The underwriter has traditionally increased restrictions elsewhere (requiring an extra ref or two) when they allow any sort of concession. I am drafting up the text now, that Bob will present to the underwriter. This process may take a while, so don’t expect ramping the first day.

As of now, the official rule is that markers MUST be in semi-only, with NO electronic help (d-bounce, ramp, burst, turbo, etc…) whatsoever. They also have a cap at 38 BPS, but in semi only, this is only an academic limitation.

The schedule has not been determined yet. Yes, we will allow private parties for speedball, and the rules were posted above in a “sticky” thread. The absolute rule for a private speedball party is that it cannot interfere with rec ball in ANY way. If I can’t staff the field adequately because everyone wants to play speedball, then it won’t happen.

Rec ball keeps the field alive (and is paying for the new speedball field as well), and I won’t allow speedball to hurt the operation. This is part of the big picture that most players don’t see. I would love to see our speedball field do well, but we will not keep it open if it has a negative effect on the mainstay of the business. This can happen in the form of staffing shortages, attitudes, messiness, sportsmanship and a few other reasons.

[Wubby]

Update on rules:

As for ramping: I just talked to the president of the APL, and ramping is still not allowed, but there are several loopholes that the underwriters are fighting over. Our (Bob and I) plan is to present the option to allow ramping ONLY for speedball tournaments or practices (citing the current PSP guidelines). The underwriter has traditionally increased restrictions elsewhere (requiring an extra ref or two) when they allow any sort of concession. I am drafting up the text now, that Bob will present to the underwriter. This process may take a while, so don’t expect ramping the first day.



what if say MMK wanted to play against GLK, would you allow ramping then if everyone agreed on it?

just wondering..

[Deeply Disturbed]

what if say MMK wanted to play against GLK, would you allow ramping then if everyone agreed on it?

just wondering..

As of now, no. Even if all players agree, it goes against the fields current insurance policy. As skeeter already stated, they are working on the loopholes.

Thanks PBC for letting speedball come back! :happy8se:

[Mr. GQ]

I'm pleased to hear that they are re-opening the speedball field. I understand the time it takes grass to grow and the stages necessary to make the field the best it can be. Skeeter and Brain have done a great job with the initial set-up. Given that we are now all aware of the main challenges to keeping the speedball field open, namely staffing the rec-ball field. Here are my intentions, and I share them as a suggestion for all of us to benefit so that the speedball field can stay open and Paintball Charleston can remain profitable I plan on volunteer reffing to help out either on an every 2-3 game basis at the speedball field and on a every 2-3 time out basis at teh rec-ball field. I would strongly encourage all of you to do the same as well.

[Wubby]

As of now, no. Even if all players agree, it goes against the fields current insurance policy. As skeeter already stated, they are working on the loopholes.

Thanks PBC for letting speedball come back! :happy8se:

ok thanks

[jojo750]

I'm pleased to hear that they are re-opening the speedball field. I understand the time it takes grass to grow and the stages necessary to make the field the best it can be. Skeeter and Brain have done a great job with the initial set-up. Given that we are now all aware of the main challenges to keeping the speedball field open, namely staffing the rec-ball field. Here are my intentions, and I share them as a suggestion for all of us to benefit so that the speedball field can stay open and Paintball Charleston can remain profitable I plan on volunteer reffing to help out either on an every 2-3 game basis at the speedball field and on a every 2-3 time out basis at teh rec-ball field. I would strongly encourage all of you to do the same as well.

volunteer refs have never been an issue when it came to speedball. there has always been many volunteers to help out. it comes down to staffing for recball. if there is enough staff for recball, then they can plan one/two for speedball. they have to be certified by the field.
i dont believe they would allow "volunteer only" refs to watch over the speedball field.

[Paintbala4life]

volunteer refs have never been an issue when it came to speedball. there has always been many volunteers to help out. it comes down to staffing for recball. if there is enough staff for recball, then they can plan one/two for speedball. they have to be certified by the field.
i dont believe they would allow "volunteer only" refs to watch over the speedball field.

I think he meant that he would play a few games at speedball... then help reff recball to help balance things. If I read it right players would switch between volunteering and playing to keep the recball staffed better.

[bluemidget123]

glk vs mmk would be a massacre. seriously.

[baller544]

:biggrin9gp:I think it would be pretty entertaining

[IRONMIKE]

glk vs mmk would be a massacre. seriously.
C'mon GLK, if you try hard you might do ok.

[Brain]

volunteer refs have never been an issue when it came to speedball. there has always been many volunteers to help out. it comes down to staffing for recball. if there is enough staff for recball, then they can plan one/two for speedball. they have to be certified by the field.
i dont believe they would allow "volunteer only" refs to watch over the speedball field.

A paid staff ref has to be there for games to play.
As for volunteers, many have "said" they would but I can first hand state that it is rarely the case. My kids have "volunteered" more than anyone for the speedball field.

[Brain]

C'mon GLK, if you try hard you might do ok.

He wrapped that one up nice for you Mike.

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

My kids have "volunteered" more than anyone for the speedball field.

for the current speedball field possibly.

i can think of others who have done faaaar more for you and have nothing to show for it("volunteered" i guess you could say).

http://imgs.pbnation.com/store/small/dodgy.gif

[jojo750]

A paid staff ref has to be there for games to play.
As for volunteers, many have "said" they would but I can first hand state that it is rarely the case. My kids have "volunteered" more than anyone for the speedball field.

thank you brain for the response. and in case no one has said it yet, the fields look nice. cant wait to slide on the new grass.

[El_Griton]

My kids have "volunteered" more than anyone for the speedball field.

you have kids? Never seen um..........:confused1bb:

[HowdoISpellSpeedball]

Do there WILL be rec ball speedball? sort of.....??????????:confused1bb:

[jojo750]

Do there WILL be rec ball speedball? sort of.....??????????:confused1bb:

it will be completely separate from recball. different price, etc.
if it is the same as before, yearly membership doesnt count on speedball.

right now, the first day is sunday july6. pickup games with whoever shows up.
im sure there will be another post closer it gets to that date with prices,etc.

only thing we know now is the date, july 6.
no ramping, semi only.
fps=285

[mini ben]

it will be completely separate from recball. different price, etc.
if it is the same as before, yearly membership doesnt count on speedball.

right now, the first day is sunday july6. pickup games with whoever shows up.
im sure there will be another post closer it gets to that date with prices,etc.

only thing we know now is the date, july 6.
no ramping, semi only.
fps=285

yearpass doesn't affect speedball? Wouldn't it be the same just you couldnt play rec?

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

dont try it ben...it doesnt work.

but atleast youll be able to play speedball for the 1st time :D

[jojo750]

yearpass doesn't affect speedball? Wouldn't it be the same just you couldnt play rec?

nope... last time it was open, everyone had to pay. no membership discount.

unless skeeter posts something different. you can try and pm and see if that has changed, but im assuming there will be a charge.

[HowdoISpellSpeedball]

Ahh so you can ptp speedball for the day?

[fatmattmark]

don't feel bad ben, even staff has to pay.

[lolipop-tithead]

Dude i am gonna hurt somebody on uncapped semi, woooooooweee.

[Paco]

Dude i am gonna hurt somebody on uncapped semi, woooooooweee.

I'll bring my pump.

BTW, ^ not smart bro.

[jojo750]

Dude i am gonna hurt somebody on uncapped semi, woooooooweee.

the reason speedball wont last at pbc. ^^

[Brain]

That kind of attitude is exactly the reason why it would be shut down. I believe that he is just kidding though.


For his sake i hope so...

[IRONMIKE]

Dude i am gonna hurt somebody on uncapped semi, woooooooweee.

If I am reffing I WILL absolutely require safety and sportsmanship;harmless jokes and smacktalk will be OK also.

[BurntGrits]

I'm really excited about the speedball at PBC, finally you don't need to travel at least an hour to play at a good field. Waiting for the prices and stuff now...

[HowdoISpellSpeedball]

I'll bring my pump.

BTW, ^ not smart bro.

Lol A pump for speedball? Good luck with that bro:laugh8kb:

[colin2722]

yeah. tons of people do it. once it gets going im pretty sure we will be having some pump tournys

[DeepFreeze]

Lol A pump for speedball? Good luck with that bro:laugh8kb:

It can be done if you are good enough. I don't recall the team, but there was one at the New Jersey NPPL tournament a few years ago that had a player with a phantom. IIRC he averaged 5 elims per game himself. Actually, a pump can be very advantageous for a front man. You don't have the bulk or weight of a standard gun, as well as a smaller profile for others to hit.

[Wubby]

Lol A pump for speedball? Good luck with that bro:laugh8kb:

i do it, as do all of the other pumpers with half a nut at PBC.

[fatmattmark]

Brass Eagles/KTO FTW!!!!!

[jojo750]

Lol A pump for speedball? Good luck with that bro:laugh8kb:

(shaking my head) you obviously dont know paco....

[jojo750]

It can be done if you are good enough. I don't recall the team, but there was one at the New Jersey NPPL tournament a few years ago that had a player with a phantom. IIRC he averaged 5 elims per game himself. Actually, a pump can be very advantageous for a front man. You don't have the bulk or weight of a standard gun, as well as a smaller profile for others to hit.

that was about 5yrs ago, and now you dont see that on any psp or nppl team. with the costs of going to a tourney now, and sponsorship money at a low level, the novelty of having a pump player on the team wore off long ago.
its all about the paint in the air now.

[DeepFreeze]

They said the same thing five years ago until someone did it and did it well.

[Paco]

Lol A pump for speedball? Good luck with that bro:laugh8kb:

Thanks rookie.

Y'know, it's all the same game. Rof is relative. Besides, if anyone actually plays with a LEGAL semi-auto gun (which I doubt), it's not that big of a handicap.

If you really want to learn to play speedball well, try playing all pump or hopperball games for a few hours. Even with X-ball rules this is a great training tool. It's amazing what you can see when there's less paint in the air. Plus, if your gun ever goes down, you're in familiar territory.

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

that was about 5yrs ago, and now you dont see that on any psp or nppl team. with the costs of going to a tourney now, and sponsorship money at a low level, the novelty of having a pump player on the team wore off long ago.
its all about the paint in the air now.

LA hitmen play whatever division NPPL w/ 4 pumps and 3 semis. just saw a video of them recently about it. they dont do that bad.


and if it counts for anything. i shot Josh waltons face off last time i play pump on the speedball field. he laughed at the idea a lot like that kid up there did.

[jojo750]

They said the same thing five years ago until someone did it and did it well.

do you remember how well that team did?

didnt think so...

[Skeeter]

It can be done if you are good enough. I don't recall the team, but there was one at the New Jersey NPPL tournament a few years ago that had a player with a phantom. IIRC he averaged 5 elims per game himself. Actually, a pump can be very advantageous for a front man. You don't have the bulk or weight of a standard gun, as well as a smaller profile for others to hit.

Yes, NJ NPPL even, back in 2003, IIRC.

Not sure if he averaged 5 elims per game (it was 7 man), but I watched from his tape line (maybe 15 feet away from him) as he got all 7 elims with a VSC Phantom. He took 8 shots the entire game. We (the crowd) started counting out his elims as he made them. He made the snake and got all 7 elims within about 30 seconds. The other team never saw him & he just shot packs from the side, after he shot out the back man. It was amazing to watch. That was a horrible/muddy nasty tourney

[jojo750]

LA hitmen play whatever division NPPL w/ 4 pumps and 3 semis. just saw a video of them recently about it. they dont do that bad.


and if it counts for anything. i shot Josh waltons face off last time i play pump on the speedball field. he laughed at the idea a lot like that kid up there did.

yeah. hitmen are still playing with the pump guys. so thats 1 team out of 4 divisions of teams with pump players.

nppl is getting with it now. they added the pump division to attract more pump players. but limited to 10 teams (something like that.)

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

18 teams. dunno why its not 7 man tho? i think that would be awesome. but 5man is fine w/ me too. i talked to Tig about playing w/ his team in the NPPL after the 1 in Buffalo next month.

[lolipop-tithead]

I pwn all pumps.

[El_Griton]

I cant play with either. but paintball is fun! I like shooting people! YEAH

[jojo750]

less than 2weeks away from opening, and no prices yet???

geoff, where are you...?

[Deeply Disturbed]

He only leaves the Matrix when he comes in to work :wink0st:

[jojo750]

He only leaves the Matrix when he comes in to work :wink0st:

he better get his butt on this so we can know how much this is going to cost.

[prblmchld101]

interested to see prices.

also i think this is a vid of that nppl player with the phantom that people were discussing earlier (found it on my old comp):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-FQYChgSTQ

[bluemidget123]

uncapped semi? really? 13.3 psp would be a muuuuuch better choice if you're looking at it from a safety stand point.

[Geoff Call]

Will be figuring up prices in the next few days. Everybody be patient.
I need to make up a strict set of operating rules for speedball as to protect the staffing/pricing/playing.
As far as I see it now, staffing keeps me from opening during the hours of regular play, so I have to come up with some type of mid-day/afternoon solution and only running speedball certain weekends, possibly every other weekend.
Speedball WILL NOT be allowed to interrupt recball.
Speedball will be a luxury to this field, not a requirement.
If staffing or players cause me any problems in running speedball, it will close down to private parties only.
I will not be forcing anybody to work speedball, all reffing will have to be on a pd/volunteer basis, meaning someone will have to ref (no matter what) and they will be pd to do so, but if nobody volunteers to ref, the speedball field will not be open for play. I refuse to beg anybody to work speedball. Doesn't bother me to have a nice new field with nobody to play on it.
Anything I say can and will be changed, by me, or the owners of Paintball Charleston.

I will have a nice list of rules, including some of what I just posted, up sometime next week, when I have time to make them. So sit tight and think about how you can help this work.

-Geoff

[jojo750]

I will not be forcing anybody to work speedball, all reffing will have to be on a pd/volunteer basis, meaning someone will have to ref (no matter what) and they will be pd to do so, but if nobody volunteers to ref, the speedball field will not be open for play. I refuse to beg anybody to work speedball. Doesn't bother me to have a nice new field with nobody to play on it.


little confusing statement there.
you have to have a paid referee on the field, that has been said by skeeter and brain already.
what difference does it make if there are volunteers there or not?
just asking, i know people will gladly ref a game or two on the speedball side when they arent playing.
but are you saying that if NO ONE volunteers, no speedball??

[Brain]

Joey..... He means someone volunteering to be a paid ref. Please do not try to create confusion.

[lolipop-tithead]

If you guys are worried about making or not making money on speedball then why don't you take a look at all of the other speedball based fields who are making TONS of money off of speedball. There is a high demand here in Charleston for a field that produces great quality facilities for playing speedball formats that are up to date and tournament worthy. Time and time again you guys want to make a set of rules that, to be honest, aren't really pertinent to today's speedball needs and don't really allow for much play time. I just don't get it. I PROMISE there will be plenty of people playing speedball (staff and non staff) if you revamp the fields and facilities with current needs of the speedball community. I really hope I'm not preaching to deaf ears here. PLEASE let me know if you need any help with ideas or something.


Also, before you come in condemning my post PLEASE re-read and think about what i have to say. (I know how touchy some people get about the speedball deal here at PBC)


___

That being said, I can't wait to come out and play a little bit on the fresh grass.

[Geoff Call]

Time and Time again you guys want to make a set of rules that, to be honest, aren't really pertinent to today's speedball needs.

Everything will be considered, thank you. The rules that I will be putting in place, are not to facilitate the current set of rules or by any means match any speedball organizations standards.
The rules I will be setting will be for the sanctity of recball, to please the need of a speedball type atmosphere without jeopardizing staffing and participation of recball, to follow the rules set by our insurance company to ensure compliance and player safety above and beyond what is expected of us, and to keep the field owners and operators (myself) from any undue stress due to a field "novelty."

There is nothing here to debate, argue, or comment on.

-Geoff

[lolipop-tithead]

In lamen's terms, "Other people are doing it. why can't we?"

I'm just trying to help you guys create a good atmosphere and facility that will house the needs of both types of play at Paintball Charleston. Seriously if you want to talk about it one day Geoff, I will. Let me know when you are free. I'm not debating or arguing with you. Afterall, this is a discussion board ;) .

[Geoff Call]

THERE WILL BE NO DISCUSSION, THIS WILL FOREVER BE KNOWN AS A "BOARD"! hahaha

Seriously though, we are just trying to get this thing rolling for starters. As time, staffing, and sanity permit, we will let this grow into some kind of standard that everyone will be able to appreciate. Right now I want to get some basic rules in place so that we don't get off to a bad start. I want this thing to work, but everybody has to be on the same page or it can't happen.

-Geoff

[lolipop-tithead]

**crawls back in hole and hides**

[jojo750]

Joey..... He means someone volunteering to be a paid ref. Please do not try to create confusion.

his post was confusing, that is why i asked.
thanks

[Skeeter]

Here is the trick... The speedball ref MUST be a PBC certified ref, and will be paid as such. If other people/players would like to jump in and volunteer ref a few games here and there, then great and we will gladly encourage this practice. What we can't have is a "platoon" effect of a bunch of volunteer refs that rotate on and off the field at their own schedule. Continuity of a single head ref running the show is essential. If the demand and turnout are high, we may add another certified ref to the field to ensure adequate coverage. I really hope this happens and we have a big/fun crowd of speedballers.

[Skeeter]

uncapped semi? really? 13.3 psp would be a muuuuuch better choice if you're looking at it from a safety stand point.

I agree 100%, but the APL guidelines are set, and we will follow them (or exceede them) as required by the policy. Ramping up to 13.3 is far safer than a true semi at 25 bps... My choice would be to run true semi, with a 13.3 cap, but not all electronics can run this mode. That rule could not be enforced with some of the AGD/Tippmann markers as well.

Remember, all turbo, bounce or ramping modes MUST be disabled.

[Paco]

Geoff,
Have you considered offering a sign-up sheet for refs who are able/willing to volunteer for speedball? This would at least provide a small pool of people who are interested. Then you could attempt to work out a schedule with them. (I say attempt because I do this at my job and i know it's a pain.) And if nobody signs up then we all know, up front, why there is no speedball!

Another thought: Sundays are usually slower in terms of attendance to regular play. Maybe this would be easier in terms of ref scheduling since less staff will be required.

Also, i think most of the guys would understand or even prefer to play a little later in the day. Mid to late afternoon would be fine with me because of the heat. Besides, it may help to stagger lines at the air window and buying paint etc.

Maybe some of the other guys have useful suggestions or opinions?

[jojo750]

i suggested picking 2 days a month. saturday or sunday.
that way , everyone would know in advance. staffing could be set up. and there is good chance for big turnout.

[bluemidget123]

i like joey's idea. until it catches on, there won't be a big crowd to play speedball every day pbc is open. maybe a few people but no hhuge crowd. if there were designated days, then i could see people planning on attending because they knew there would be a substantial crowd.

[Paintbala4life]

Every other sunday or something?

[coldshoulderSB]

I agree 100%, but the APL guidelines are set, and we will follow them (or exceede them) as required by the policy. Ramping up to 13.3 is far safer than a true semi at 25 bps... My choice would be to run true semi, with a 13.3 cap, but not all electronics can run this mode. That rule could not be enforced with some of the AGD/Tippmann markers as well.

Remember, all turbo, bounce or ramping modes MUST be disabled.

i understand with the inability to regulate the ROF at this time semi must only be used BUT limiting the field to a true semi 13.3 would not allow for realistic speedball play - In other words a team from PC other than say GLK - would have no experience playing in a ramping type scenario (CFOA) and be completely bewilderd in that enviroment.

[Brain]

i understand with the inability to regulate the ROF at this time semi must only be used BUT limiting the field to a true semi 13.3 would not allow for realistic speedball play - In other words a team from PC other than say GLK - would have no experience playing in a ramping type scenario (CFOA) and be completely bewilderd in that enviroment.

Realistic speedball?
Bewildered?

Wow.....:eek4wd:

[orange ion dude]

What is the point of having it 13.3 and not just 13 bps?

[Wubby]

13.3 is the PSP rule.

most people just do 13..

[IRONMIKE]

Get a Virtue board and trigger your way to 13 bps.

[jojo750]

What is the point of having it 13.3 and not just 13 bps?

not to get into the specifics, but the bps rule in psp is actually the time between 2 shots. it has to be a certain amount of time (65milliseconds or whatever).
the old rule was 15.4bps,then went down to 13.3 . (68ms-65ms)
the machine used to measure bps only measures down to 2 digits, cant go any more, so they have to convert the closest measurement. in this case, it was 13.3

hard to explain, but easy to say.

Get a Virtue board and trigger your way to 13 bps.
just about any stock/aftermarket board can be capped.

[coldshoulderSB]

Realistic speedball?
Bewildered?

Wow.....:eek4wd:

realistic speedball being tournament level play
bewildered meaning bewildered

[Bermy]

Speedball-style play doesn't automatically infer Tournament style play, you mean "airball".Besides, true uncapped semi is NPPL mode, therefore it actually IS tournament style play. I consider the Village speedball, I've seen games go quicker there than some of the CFOA 5-man matches.

[coldshoulderSB]

true but how many people do we have local that play nppl? few to none. not trying to argue the fact by any means because it obviously wont make a change i was just stating that this style play wont prepare a beginner team for what to expect when they do enter tournament level field bermy you and i know running through a psp ramp stream 13.3 15 uncapped whatever is alot harder to do that an inconsistant semi uncapped stream

[Paintbala4life]

that last sentence didn't make since to me..

[coldshoulderSB]

it will to bermy.

[Brain]

realistic speedball being tournament level play
bewildered meaning bewildered

I am sorry to make you think I needed definitions?
Speedball IS speedball.

When they release field layouts prior to a big SPEEDBALL event they do it so teams can prepare for the event to not be "bewildered" by them. My "surprise" by your realistic and bewildered comment was due to the FACT that we are not preparing teams for ANY event, we are simply offering SPEEDBALL in all it's real,,, reality.

[Paintbala4life]

it will to bermy.

i didn't mean the content, i meant the way you said it.

"psp ramp stream 13.3 15 uncapped whatever" that part lol

[coldshoulderSB]

13.3 in the current ROF cap
15 is the old
and before that it was uncapped Bermy and i both have been playing since these times.

Brain - sorry misunderstood your post - i do understand the reasons for PCs no-ramp claus, insurance, simply said violate insurance rules and regs, lose insurance no more play, period - how do other fields allow ramp, as well as debounce, bounce etc? i know i have never heard of this issue at ballbusters, Paintball Central, myrtle beach?

[Paintbala4life]

yeah, i know, I just misunderstood what you said by the way your wrote it.

[lolipop-tithead]

i know i have never heard of this issue at ballbusters, Paintball Central, myrtle beach?

EXACTLY what I was trying to say.

[jojo750]

EXACTLY what I was trying to say.

it varies with insurance companies.

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

it varies with insurance companies.

as far as ive been told by skeeter there are only 2...i guess we got the lame-o guys.

and why did the insurance company all the sudden start enforcing the rules the day JonJon gave cody 1 extra(4 shots total) while using PSP when it was allowed at the field?

hell i member AJ(big red not starns) Danny Devon etc all allowed to shoot 30+. they used to tear me and my friends up. the field not have insurance back then??

jw. just because the entire time ramping was allowed i could only afford to play pump. then im workin off a $1200 gun(the viking) that could ramp. and "insurance" says no ramping b4 i even get to play w/ it. :(

wasnt there a scenario like a year or 2 ago or sumthin that every1 was allowed to ramp in as long as it was capped 15 bps? i know it was after ramping wasnt allowed cause i was thinkn. "thats crazy..why are they allowing it all the sudden now?"

[coldshoulderSB]

I'm almost positive theere are more than 2 but I'm almost positive also its like less than 7-8 kinda like an extreme sports insurance company I believe I'm still in josh's boat funding it kinda funny that every other field local or not allows ramp to some degree and has no insurance issues as long as it is capped

[jojo750]

domination2 = ramping was allowed.
penalty for overshooting. they would punch your id card.

[CCIiscool]

i think they allowed it in "forward to benghazi" a couple years ago

[Paintbala4life]

They allow it in MPP Scenario Events don't they?

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

either way. Ben doesnt provide a special insurance company for just the games hes puttin on. its still up to the field to insure themselves. why policies change back and forth between games is a mystery to me.

[Bermy]

I'm all for both styles of play, NPPL rules and PSP/CFOA. The biggest difference I feel is that there are is less room for error in PSP mode. Debounce? In PSP, leave it alone. Mechanical bounce? In PSP, leave it alone. Dump? In PSP, leave it alone. In NPPL, to get the most out of your marker you need to change all these factors. I feel when someone overshoots me while in PSP legal ramping, they more than likely did it deliberately. In NPPL, your gun does not necessarliy need to "run away" for you to get quite a few more shots, those 18 bps. bursts that are common in the league can ruin your day. Now I'm not saying that just because you catch a few extra in NPPL mode that it was malicious, but all those extra variables can make said 18 bps. situation happen. I know the ideal situation would be for everyone to be shooting straight semi, no bounce no ramp, but until we get a robot to enforce that it just ain't gonna happen. We all have ears and we can all tell when someone is ramping above the 13.3, so I'm kind of leaning towards the standard PSP rules, but there are flaws there also. That goes back to what Brain and Skeeter said about lack in equipment that comes equipped with ramping modes, but we allow RT in Tippmanns and Mags on the field against straight mechanical semi-autos. Heck, if you do not have your own equipment and you need to rent a gun, that's what you're stuck with. I feel it all comes down to overshooting, and that should be handled on a case by case basis. We already have rules in effect for that; Pump restriction or pack your things up and leave. I'm all for that. We have Ref's trained in the scenario's, I think we should let them use their better judgement on the field.

[jojo750]

I'm all for both styles of play, NPPL rules and PSP/CFOA. The biggest difference I feel is that there are is less room for error in PSP mode. Debounce? In PSP, leave it alone. Mechanical bounce? In PSP, leave it alone. Dump? In PSP, leave it alone. In NPPL, to get the most out of your marker you need to change all these factors. I feel when someone overshoots me while in PSP legal ramping, they more than likely did it deliberately. In NPPL, your gun does not necessarliy need to "run away" for you to get quite a few more shots, those 18 bps. bursts that are common in the league can ruin your day. Now I'm not saying that just because you catch a few extra in NPPL mode that it was malicious, but all those extra variables can make said 18 bps. situation happen. I know the ideal situation would be for everyone to be shooting straight semi, no bounce no ramp, but until we get a robot to enforce that it just ain't gonna happen. We all have ears and we can all tell when someone is ramping above the 13.3, so I'm kind of leaning towards the standard PSP rules, but there are flaws there also. That goes back to what Brain and Skeeter said about lack in equipment that comes equipped with ramping modes, but we allow RT in Tippmanns and Mags on the field against straight mechanical semi-autos. Heck, if you do not have your own equipment and you need to rent a gun, that's what you're stuck with. I feel it all comes down to overshooting, and that should be handled on a case by case basis. We already have rules in effect for that; Pump restriction or pack your things up and leave. I'm all for that. We have Ref's trained in the scenario's, I think we should let them use their better judgement on the field.

thats the longest ive ever heard you talk. even after driving back from rock hill when you sprained your ankle.
wow.

[KTOninjaSNIPER]

I'm all for both styles of play, NPPL rules and PSP/CFOA.

back from Qatar so soon? did you encounter any NBEs(aka Transformers: be it Autobots or Decepticons)

[coldshoulderSB]

I have to say I'm 100% with bermy on this one what's the difference in 13.3 in an electro or unlimited bounce in a mag, rt tipmann, or an electro set up to bounce. Things aren't jiveing.

[coldshoulderSB]

On a side note if ramping was to be allowed what would it take a pact timer? Ramp limited to the speedball field? I'm sure brain and skeeter think we are all beating this to death but its valid among the speedball community I sure would like to use my 1200$ gun to its full capabilities and I'm sure the 200$ ion owner would feel the same way

[Brain]

They allow it in MPP Scenario Events don't they?

The field's insurance does not allow it.

[lolipop-tithead]

back from Qatar so soon? did you encounter any NBEs(aka Transformers: be it Autobots or Decepticons)

He's just posting from "Qatar" noobie

[Bermy]

back from Qatar so soon? did you encounter any NBEs(aka Transformers: be it Autobots or Decepticons)

Still in Qatar, I'll be here until sometime in October. Hopefully, I'll be back for World Cup. If the fields Insurance doesn't allow, then it doesn't allow it; simple as that. I wonder if this is something that could be channeled-up though? I have seen absolutely ridiculous RT'ing mags, and nobody can argue that having a locked, capped ramping board isn't infinitely safer that a pressure-set ramping gun open to mechanical failure. At least if my board is set to "rape", it shows I've done intentionally. Joey, no need for conversation when I can just look into your dreamy eyes.

Also, 13.3 PSP or, heck, even the Millenium cap is just plain good for buisness.

[coldshoulderSB]

I still agree bermy but like I said limit ramp to the speedball field if need be most of the concern is with children 10 11 12 being overshot I believe and my z grip mag would make my halo misfeed so I know a rt gun can break 13.3

[HowdoISpellSpeedball]

htf do you limit your ramp :confused1bb:

[Bermy]

htf do you limit your ramp :confused1bb:

Are you serious?

[HowdoISpellSpeedball]

Are you serious?

Ya just got a ramping gun. been playing with Tippmans and Spyders for a year

[DM5KILLA]

Ya just got a ramping gun. been playing with Tippmans and Spyders for a year

well, what kind of gun do you have? and whatr type of board is in it? and should you really have it if u dont know how to use it?

[Bermy]

Ya just got a ramping gun. been playing with Tippmans and Spyders for a year

Then read your manual, and then go back re-read the title of this thread. I don't believe it says anything about Gun FAQ's or "Ramping how-to's".

Back on topic, I now understand why ramping can be frowned upon, users like this guy. On the other hand, I still believe he can mess up NPPL mode easier than he can mess up PSP ramp; though this is just my opinion.

[bluemidget123]

how is qatar? bring me back something nice.

can i send you some GLK stickers and you take pictures of them on signs and stuff in Qatar? that'd be badass

[Bermy]

how is qatar? bring me back something nice.

can i send you some GLK stickers and you take pictures of them on signs and stuff in Qatar? that'd be badass

I've actually already strated doing that. You gave me a griip of stickers awhile ago that I've been hanging on to that are getting put up around here. I could always use more though:

SSgt. Aaron Bermudez
8 EAMS/ MXA
APO AE 09309

[glkbigbk]

are there any rules of what we can/can't send you aaron?

[Bermy]

Qatar has a rule against porn, or at least porn of the poorly hidden variety. Some paintball DVD's would be great, I can paypal anyone some funds if they have some DVD's or VCD's they would like to send. I'll buy up all the turbans in the area.....

[lolipop-tithead]

Qatar has a rule against porn, or at least porn of the poorly hidden variety. Some paintball DVD's would be great, I can paypal anyone some funds if they have some DVD's or VCD's they would like to send. I'll buy up all the turbans in the area.....

HAHA I SERIOUSLY want a turban PLEASE. I'll be sure to send you something.

[Paco]

So what time is this thing happening Sunday?

[jojo750]

So what time is this thing happening Sunday?

geoff hasnt figured that out yet.

[Brain]

Hmnn, holy thread jack!!

I will forgive for a turban though..:yes4lo:

[Brain]

So what time is this thing happening Sunday?

Should be the normal time of 9am but what do I know?...

[jojo750]

Should be the normal time of 9am but what do I know?...

word at the store on saturday was not during recball hours. dont know if that is for this sunday or anytime after that.

what thread jack??

[Geoff Call]

As far as Insurance goes, the flip flopping of the "ramping" "semi-only" rules is again decided by the insurance company. As we all have seen in the past year, the required waiver forms can change (and have changed) as well as the requirements for barrel plugs vs. barrel socks. All rules setup by the insurance company obviously ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. All we can do as a field is comply with a big smile because they make the rules and we have to follow them.
If you have a problem shooting semi, too bad.
If ramping were allowed by the insurance company, I'd still not allow it at this point. If any arguing on this point continues, we'll do a 10bps cap, because that is above and beyond what is required of us. Can't break the rules, but I can 'enhance' them. Like Aaron said, It's not tournament style speedball, its speedball style paintball. Brain said as well, its not to prepare anybody for tournaments, its just a field. Now lets look for solutions.

How do players feel about running speedball on 1 saturday once a month, AND also on 1 sunday a month? Or alternatively, one saturday OR one sunday AND 1 day/afternoon of the week?

post up

[Paintbala4life]

sundays tend to be slower, that might go better with staffing

[Wubby]

i know this will probably get rejected, but what about the old idea of thursday night speedball?

is it because of school/work/weekday? just wondering..

and i'm not going to argue the ramping issue, idc either way, but i will put in my .02 and say that no matter what the rules are, not everyone will be happy.

and also, not to sound like a suck up or anything, thank you brain, skeeter, geoff, and anyone else that helped put this all together.

[jojo750]

i know this will probably get rejected, but what about the old idea of thursday night speedball?

is it because of school/work/weekday? just wondering..

and i'm not going to argue the ramping issue, idc either way, but i will put in my .02 and say that no matter what the rules are, not everyone will be happy.

and also, not to sound like a suck up or anything, thank you brain, skeeter, geoff, and anyone else that helped put this all together.

well, thursday didnt work out so well, since it was cancelled for the lack of participation. which is why alot of people are wanting it on the weekend, when most of us are usually out playing anyway.

[jojo750]

As far as Insurance goes, the flip flopping of the "ramping" "semi-only" rules is again decided by the insurance company. As we all have seen in the past year, the required waiver forms can change (and have changed) as well as the requirements for barrel plugs vs. barrel socks. All rules setup by the insurance company obviously ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. All we can do as a field is comply with a big smile because they make the rules and we have to follow them.
If you have a problem shooting semi, too bad.
If ramping were allowed by the insurance company, I'd still not allow it at this point. If any arguing on this point continues, we'll do a 10bps cap, because that is above and beyond what is required of us. Can't break the rules, but I can 'enhance' them. Like Aaron said, It's not tournament style speedball, its speedball style paintball. Brain said as well, its not to prepare anybody for tournaments, its just a field. Now lets look for solutions.

How do players feel about running speedball on 1 saturday once a month, AND also on 1 sunday a month? Or alternatively, one saturday OR one sunday AND 1 day/afternoon of the week?

post up

heeheee, would love to see how you put a 10bps cap on some of those mags that are outshooting the electros.

[Geoff Call]

heeheee, would love to see how you put a 10bps cap on some of those mags that are outshooting the electros.

Haha, two words, Gravity Feed.

I'm going to try and make the rules so that the field is fair and level for ANYONE to play on it, from tippmanns to timmys.

[jojo750]

Haha, two words, Gravity Feed.

I'm going to try and make the rules so that the field is fair and level for ANYONE to play on it, from tippmanns to timmys.

two more words: chop & squeegee.

[Mr. GQ]

Geoff-
I'm up for picking a constant day/s of the month. For instance first Saturday of the month, 3rd Sunday and last Thursday if your trying for a weekday. That way we can all plan ahead to come out and play without trying to set it up last minute.

[IRONMIKE]

I vote for the first and third Saturday of each month from 9am to 4 pm.

[mini ben]

I think it would be beter on Sunday twice a month.

[smitty187]

i know i won't be playing a whole lot because i live three hours away but i like the idea of one saturday and one sunday a month. simply because last i checked quite a few people have practice on sundays; so although sundays would probably be easier to do, it would not have the best turn out of players.

[jojo750]

I think it would be beter on Sunday twice a month.

nah.
1 saturday
1 sunday

[bluemidget123]

most people do practice on sunday so if you're looking for a crowd, go for saturday. those who play on teams with practices won't skip their sunday practice just to dick around with some streetball.

I think geoff likes being the top store worker now.... finally, some responsibility.

[bluemidget123]

and i want a turban too. GLK kids, we're gonna get a package of stuff to send to aaron. get with me and we'll work it out.

[killerofmyi]

Are you going to have pump speedball day.(so we pump players will have a chance.)

[Wubby]

Are you going to have pump speedball day.(so we pump players will have a chance.)

i play with electros, as do probably 90% of other people that play pump do. man up and take the challenge.

[rualldunn?]

i agree with wubby, besides it is much more satisfying to shoot someone with one ball when they are just spraying paint at you

[Deeply Disturbed]

Ill team kill you with a pump.

[Paintbala4life]

haha wubby, i still remember u in the scenario a/t a full hopper in the woods trying to 'draw them out'
if i don't have you confused with some1 else, you have the red/blue/white s6 right?

[Wubby]

haha wubby, i still remember u in the scenario a/t a full hopper in the woods trying to 'draw them out'
if i don't have you confused with some1 else, you have the red/blue/white s6 right?

yeah thats me.

and i use my AT a lot.. but it's the best of both world i guess. even though when you AT it's basically spraying and praying.

[fatmattmark]

yeah thats me.

and i use my AT a lot.. but it's the best of both world i guess. even though when you AT it's basically spraying and praying.

Correction sir,
Mr. Casey Davis is a surgeon with his Auto Trigger.
'Nuff said. :yes4lo:

[Wubby]

btw guys, i'll be bringing the lady friend for her first day of paintball.

go easy on her, lol...

edit: on sunday.

[Paintbala4life]

first day of paintball... the grand opening of speedball? bad plan??

[Wubby]

first day of paintball... the grand opening of speedball? bad plan??

not really, in my opinion at least.

she'll get the hang of it.. lol.

[bluemidget123]

btw guys, i'll be bringing the lady friend for her first day of paintball.

go easy on her, lol...

edit: on sunday.

you're cool...

[Wubby]

you're cool...

omg thanks!!!!!

damn now ima have to bring a gang of bitches out so i dont feel bad

lol, no need.

[glkbigbk]

btw guys, i'll be bringing the lady friend for her first day of paintball.

go easy on her, lol...

edit: on sunday.

probably not a good idea, i dont know a lot of people who want to just have a relaxed speedball game

[Paintbala4life]

more likely then not it will just scare her away from pball

[Wubby]

probably not a good idea, i dont know a lot of people who want to just have a relaxed speedball game

i didnt say, "go easy on her" like, "don't shoot her". i meant don't go running by and put 10 on her. i'm also not gonna give her a gun and say have fun either, lol....

(She won't be playing with guys that i think will destroy her either, i'm sure there will be a few noobs out there....)

more likely then not it will just scare her away from pball

doubt it.

[lolipop-tithead]

i shoot man, woman and child. each with exactly 10 paint bullets.

[Deeply Disturbed]

Yet even when hit in the hopper, Josh "Relic" Walton declines to leave the field...:frown3qg:

[lolipop-tithead]

Yet even when hit in the hopper, Josh "Relic" Walton declines to leave the field...:frown3qg:

low blow

[Paco]

low blow

Consider the source.

[Deeply Disturbed]

hey now...