20+ illegals in one van!

[Rapchizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Vl3VQAar8

[bloodyswimmingpool]

it reminded me of the scattering of roaches when you pick up a rock. where was the border patrol during this sharade! Let me guess eating donuts.

[BurntGrits]

I guess that lets you know how awesome America is.... Everyone wants to come here so bad that they will pack into one van and do it illegally, and that was an ass load of people too. lol

[Mikesac]

suprised no of them are splashed on the curb would rather have that lol

[smooter1234]

dang thats a lot of illegals

[pballer4life]

God illegal immigration is so wrong... It pisses me off soooooo much to see them in my country.Why couldnt we have elected a president that would have fixed the problem??? Way to go American voters.....

[theMiniKid]

I know a cost guard and she said that the cubans wanting to make it here will
A. shoot themselves in the foot
B. threaten to kill their babies
C. shoot coast guards

Obviously something needs to be done to people like this

[DirtyD123]

saw that on tv the other day, they caight about half of them, the others are cutting my grass right now

[pballer4life]

I know a cost guard and she said that the cubans wanting to make it here will
A. shoot themselves in the foot
B. threaten to kill their babies
C. shoot coast guards

Obviously something needs to be done to people like this

Ya I'll tell you what needs to be done... Take the troops out of the middle east. Militarize the border and give all countries a fair warning, incase is wasn't common sense in the first place, that if you try to invade/attack the USA you will be shot on spot. Then there will be no threats towards their own children... I mean do we need people in this country that are willing to shoot their own family? Here is another way to help our economic crisis... Take the 33 million and counting illegal immigrants out of this country and put Americans in their places. I am sure Obama is thinking about this idea right now... right everyone?

[pbc addict2]

saw that on tv the other day, they caight about half of them, the others are cutting my grass right now





How much they charge? Jk that was soo wrong dirty

[Wubby]

Ya I'll tell you what needs to be done... Take the troops out of the middle east. Militarize the border and give all countries a fair warning, incase is wasn't common sense in the first place, that if you try to invade/attack the USA you will be shot on spot. Then there will be no threats towards their own children... I mean do we need people in this country that are willing to shoot their own family? Here is another way to help our economic crisis... Take the 33 million and counting illegal immigrants out of this country and put Americans in their places. I am sure Obama is thinking about this idea right now... right everyone?

shoot someone in the head for trying to make a better life for their families?

go live in mexico for a couple weeks and tell me how bad you want back in. no illegal immigrant is trying to invade and take over the US. not ALL are drug runners and gang members. and good luck getting 33 million untrackable people out of an entire country. oh and im sure most of the military signed up to go and sit around all day to defend a border. it will never be completely sealed, people will ALWAYS get through. it just isnt that easy.

basically, illegal immigration isnt something i support, but shooting someone for crossing a border, or deporting 33 million people that have no information seems unrealistic.

[pballer4life]

shoot someone in the head for trying to make a better life for their families?

go live in mexico for a couple weeks and tell me how bad you want back in. no illegal immigrant is trying to invade and take over the US. not ALL are drug runners and gang members. and good luck getting 33 million untrackable people out of an entire country. oh and im sure most of the military signed up to go and sit around all day to defend a border. it will never be completely sealed, people will ALWAYS get through. it just isnt that easy.

basically, illegal immigration isnt something i support, but shooting someone for crossing a border, or deporting 33 million people that have no information seems unrealistic.

Think of it as shooting an invader which they are completley, you cannot disagree with that. As far as the law is concerned Mexicans crossing the border ilegally is no different than the Russian army strolling through our southern border. This country is not day care for third world immigrants dude. Nor should we ever be. No matter how bad you feel for these people you must agree with the old sayne, "bloom where you are planted". In other words make the best of your plot of soil. Don't come and spoil ours. As for deporting 33m people, I think that the amount of policing force to find said people might increase in order to round them up. Would that not create our oh so needed jobs? As well as freeing up 33 MILLION more?

[pbc addict2]

^^your ideas are one of the reasons that the u.s. is possiblly one of the most disliked countries in the world due to the people that live in it have opinions like yours. yes, you are entitled to your opinion.

[pballer4life]

I think that we might be more disliked for having military forces in 139 yes 139countries. Just b/c I don't want low class, low income, uneducated criminals (87% of illegal mexican immigrants have a 5th grade education or lower) coming ILEGALLYinto our country isnt a reason to hate the USA. And any other successful country will agree with that. I am sure that you can stretch your brain that far right?

[iown26]

i completely agree with you pballer4life
i gave up though when i couldnt argue my way out of taking spanish class...
why learn a language of people invading our country?

[Mikesac]

thats why you take french of course its easier

[iown26]

why take french its pointless to, unless to plan to go to france...
i think as a whole foreign language should be optional imo

[Skeeter]

I am sure that you can stretch your brain that far right?

Great innuendo!

There are plenty of reasons for other countries to hate the USA at this point in our history. GW Bush created more ill-will towards this country than any president on record.

As for our economy, it would benefit greatly from a dramatic decrease in unskilled, uneducated, non-taxpaying illegal immigrants. They are a major source of crime, a root cause of depressed wages, and an incredible burden on the AMERICAN built infrastructure, to which they don’t contribute a penny!

Shooting them solves much of the problem, in a very inappropriate way. Removing them from the country in the least expensive, but legal way would be ideal. There are plenty of hard working people from countries all over the world that would like entry into the US. Not just the dregs (unemployable, criminals, etc.) from Mexico. There are millions of well educated, motivated, intelligent people who are willing to follow the rules of entry to obtain citizenship. The people that follow the rules established by the INS are the ones who will assimilate into our country and contribute to the system from which they will benefit. The illegals are extremely parasitic and every effort should be made to prevent more from entering the country, and it would also do a great service to the country to remove (by whatever legal and cost effective means available) as many as possible from the 20+ million that are already here.

[Mikesac]

but id rather know a language that has a nice country then one that is just a nasty place

[iown26]

Great innuendo!

There are plenty of reasons for other countries to hate the USA at this point in our history. GW Bush created more ill-will towards this country than any president on record.

As for our economy, it would benefit greatly from a dramatic decrease in unskilled, uneducated, non-taxpaying illegal immigrants. They are a major source of crime, a root cause of depressed wages, and an incredible burden on the AMERICAN built infrastructure, to which they don’t contribute a penny!

Shooting them solves much of the problem, in a very inappropriate way. Removing them from the country in the least expensive, but legal way would be ideal. There are plenty of hard working people from countries all over the world that would like entry into the US. Not just the dregs (unemployable, criminals, etc.) from Mexico. There are millions of well educated, motivated, intelligent people who are willing to follow the rules of entry to obtain citizenship. The people that follow the rules established by the INS are the ones who will assimilate into our country and contribute to the system from which they will benefit. The illegals are extremely parasitic and every effort should be made to prevent more from entering the country, and it would also do a great service to the country to remove (by whatever legal and cost effective means available) as many as possible from the 20+ million that are already here.


by far the best thing said in this thread!

and mikesac u have a good point

[Mikesac]

Isn't it true that when the illegals born a baby into America the child is in fact considered an American citizen so they have to take away the child's parents?

[Phantom549]

yall remember a couple of years ago when all the legal and illegal mexicans decided to not go to work, school, etc. and stay home for one day and march in D.C.? since there were all of thse illegal people literally saying they were illegal, why didnt the government take control and investigate and arrest a few of em?

The reason why G.W. Bush didnt tighten border control was because he is from TX. Guess where he got a lot of the votes from to become governor of TX? McCain definately wouldn't have because of the same reason (he is from Arizona fyi). And Mr. Obama DEFINATELY won't because he is very open-minded and extremely radical. Hell, he even adopted the illegal mexican chant for a campaign slogan.. "Si Se Puede!" translates to "Yes We Can!"

[pballer4life]

Great innuendo!

Shooting them solves much of the problem, in a very inappropriate way. Removing them from the country in the least expensive, but legal way would be ideal. There are plenty of hard working people from countries all over the world that would like entry into the US. Not just the dregs (unemployable, criminals, etc.) from Mexico. There are millions of well educated, motivated, intelligent people who are willing to follow the rules of entry to obtain citizenship. The people that follow the rules established by the INS are the ones who will assimilate into our country and contribute to the system from which they will benefit. The illegals are extremely parasitic and every effort should be made to prevent more from entering the country, and it would also do a great service to the country to remove (by whatever legal and cost effective means available) as many as possible from the 20+ million that are already here.

I want you to understand that anything that any illegal immigrant does from buying a snickers bar to shooting a police officer makes them a criminal. That is because before they did anything else productive in the country, the disrespected us and broke our law. What kind of person are you if the first thing you do when you enter a new country is break their law? I am not saying go into the USA suburbs and shoot hispanic looking indiviuals. I am saying defened our weak border and remove these illegals from the inside out. IT IS POSSIBLE. There is nothing wrong with militarizing the border. How can we expect to defened ourselves from positions around the globe when we simply leave our back door wide open for anyone to walk through?

[pbc addict2]

the border Is secured idiot. It is just that , do you know how long the border is?

[Rapchizzle]

pballer4life- I read this article yesterday and so should you.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123370523066745559.html

It's not as easy as you may think. Industries would collapse without the illegal immigrants. Your produce prices would jump, the prices on new construction would sky rocket, things you wouldn't even think about would have a price increase too. Their cheap labor keeps the production prices on certain goods down.

I'm the last person who will ever say I support illegal immigration. I live on Johns Island for Christ's sake. I see illegals everyday shopping at my our grocery store, eating at our McDonalds, renting movies at our movie store, etc. This is one of the HUGE arguments for the FairTax. If we were taxed on the good we buy instead of our income, the problems would be solved. We would have so many MORE tax paying citizens! Illegals, drug dealers, prostitutes, welfare recipients, etc.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax

Maybe instead of bashign the illegals (because that will get you no where...) you could put your efforts to informing and educating about the Fair Tax. The more people who know and are convinced, the more people will be behind it if it ever become a legitimate possibility (wait at least 4 years for anyone to discuss it again....)

[Skeeter]

I agree that a fence along our southern border is not a complete fix to the problem, but it is a GREAT start in the process of repairing the damage already done and preventing further destruction of the US infrastructure.

Steps to stop the bleeding:

1. Build a fence
2. Patrol & enforce the southern border, including Florida
3. Penalize business that employ illegals
4. Enforce the laws that are already on the books (re: expelling illegals from ALL countries)
5. Institute a “Fair Tax” proposal, for all citizens
6. Remove or significantly revise the “anchor baby” law
7. Expel the existing illegals, or provide a lawful pathway (including reparations) to citizenship

To some of the comments already stated:
The price of goods would go up, without illegals: Hell yes! The prices for certain items would increase. Why? Because of "economy of scale". Businesses that currently employ illegals would increase the rate of pay, to entice AMERICAN workers to accept these jobs. The rate WOULD increase, because these AMERICAN workers would pay taxes into the system that they benefit from. This would serve multiple purposes: Increase national tax revenues since ALL workers would be paying taxes. Decrease the unemployment rate. Cause a valid (based on supply and demand) increase in minimum wage, and not one dictated by the government’s opinion (socialism). I would be happy to pay more for a product, if I was guaranteed that the price increase was a result of hiring a tax paying citizen to do the work.


Good (old) article about the less visible side effect of illegal imigration:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E6D8163EF932A1575BC0A9629C8B 63

Updated aricle about the issues in CA:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080608/news_1n8hospital.html

Current issues in Florida:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gAYUfrF0Lw

The SINGLE most pressing issue about illegal immigration is the burden that it places on OUR infrastructure. These folks DO NOT pay taxes (outside of sales tax), yet, they benefit from the system that the rest of us contribute into. Our schools, hospitals, criminal justice system, legal system, sanitation systems, roadways, etc… ALL are negatively effected by the added burden of illegals. They will eventually collapse, just like the health care system along our southern borders. If we don’t stop (or at least minimize) the flood, then our systems will collapse or decrease to be parallel with those in Mexico. Not the future that I want my family to face.

[Wubby]

i completely agree with you pballer4life
i gave up though when i couldnt argue my way out of taking spanish class...
why learn a language of people invading our country?

why take french its pointless to, unless to plan to go to france...
i think as a whole foreign language should be optional imo

You must be one serious case of "AMERICA! YEAH! ITS OUR WAY!"

But the truth is, no, it isnt our way. i love my country, but most kids in france probably speak better english than 90% of my highschool, and maybe even you. we learn a foreign language because if we didn't we would be even more looked on as the most ignorant nation in the world. and some people use it in their future jobs.

I seriously can't say much to "why learn a language of people invading our country" because:
1. Mexico isnt the ONLY spanish speaking country.
2. Mexicans aren't "invaders" that is the wrong word. i doubt they are trying to turn America into Mexico JR.

I think illegals should be kicked out of out country, but a lot of them arent taking our jerbs. have you really been turned down from a job in a tomato field? or from another hard labor, low paying job? no. i doubt you have. Until illegal immigrants are becoming jobs that require an education, i won't say they are taking any jobs.

Look at skeeter's reasons, thats the fair way to do it. not shoot them for jumping a fence.

[Tbigs]

You had better start liking Spanish and French class if you want to go to college. Most of the better schools require at least 3 years of a foreign language. And before you all start with that tag em and bag em crap. Remember that our ancestors were emigrants that kicked the Native Americans from there home land and took over. Were they any better? Most of these people are doing it for there kids so that they can have the life that there parents want for them. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the fact that they are coming to our country and hurting it, but were we any different?

[Skeeter]

2. Mexicans aren't "invaders" that is the wrong word. i doubt they are trying to turn America into Mexico JR.

Until illegal immigrants are becoming jobs that require an education, i won't say they are taking any jobs.


They ARE invading... My problem, is that they are expecing something (education, food stamps, social security, health care) for nothing. They DO NOT contribute to this great nation, therefore, they should not recieve the benefits equivalent to those of us that do.

If they continue to pour through the border, they will eventually turn the US into the $hit hole that they came from.

[Rapchizzle]

they Are Invading... My Problem, Is That They Are Expecing Something (education, Food Stamps, Social Security, Health Care) For Nothing. They Do Not Contribute To This Great Nation, Therefore, They Should Not Recieve The Benefits Equivalent To Those Of Us That Do.

If They Continue To Pour Through The Border, They Will Eventually Turn The Us Into The $hit Hole That They Came From.


Qft.

[pballer4life]

What do you mean they arn't invaders Wubby? What would you call them, visitors? Long term tourists? They are invaders, and as for the Jr. Mexico thing, idk how old you are but all the mexican kids that I know at my school are far from Americanized. What I want y'all to understand is that there is such a thing as the American culture. Whether you want to belive it or not. We have our own culture. Yes, we are the descendents of emmigrants, but we are not emmigrants anymore. There is an American culture. Perhaps due to our ignorant and close minded population we do not always see this because it is rare Americans experience a different culture besides the American one. Nobody should call me close minded as I have toured Europe twice. "When in rome do as the romans do" (yes i have been there too) that means when you come to America you become American, blend in with our culture, accept our language (which is English to anyone with common sense), etc. As for the fair tax plan, i like it. I knew about it prior to this conversation. This will eliminate the current "steal from the rich-give to the poor" tax plan we have right now. However, I donnot see how this punishes the illegal immigrants that are already here?

[Skeeter]

As for the fair tax plan, i like it. I knew about it prior to this conversation. This will eliminate the current "steal from the rich-give to the poor" tax plan we have right now. However, I do not see how this punishes the illegal immigrants that are already here?

The tax plan is not about punishing those that are already here... It is about geting all current residents, legal AND illegal, to pay their "fair share" of the taxes. This would allow THEM to contribute INTO the system from which they benefit.

[pballer4life]

True but I don't think that we should be allowing these criminals to adapt or contribute. They need to be punished for their crimes without any chance of ever benifeting. We need to punish these people not try to help them b/c they commited a crime. It would be nice for us who are in the country legally however.

[CCIiscool]

It would be nice if we could just build a bigass fence and round up all the illegal aliens and be done with it, but its obviously not that easy. Its also obvious that our current immigration laws/policies etc aren't working. Yes illegals are comitting a crime, yes it is wrong to an extent, yes they should be punished to an extent, but its not like pinky and the brain

Juan: So pedro what do you want to do tonight

Pedro: The same thing we do every night... Try to take over AMERICA!!!

Its more like

Juan: So pedro what do you want to do tonight

Pedro: Food and a shower would be nice

So i think the problem is our immigration laws as much as anything. Something should be done/changed. Now the big question is what... and i'm not sure. Maybe make it easier for mexicans to get legal jobs or something. But not give them a bunch of stuff like free college that normal americans don't get, not even CLOSE to that, im not crazy, just stating the obvious. If you were a poor mexican and could exploit the system, you'd probably do it too, so the system needs to be fixed beyond a wall and guys with guns.

And as for the fairtax, i wrote a paper on it last year, and it is indescribably better than the current income tax system. The govt. has corrupted the income tax so much that it doesn't even understant its own tax code*. I could go on and on. If anyone wants to read more, go to www.fairtax.org or read their books, i dont know if anyone cares, just putting it out there.

*SEE: Obama cabinet choices