Friday speedball

[EMPIRE11]

it was alot of fun, alot of people came out mostly even teams.i had a great time, but hopefully there will be more after what happened today.

[RBKpumper]

after what happened today.

:sigh: i miss everything fun...

[EMPIRE11]

it wasnt fun when a fight broke out......

[Jamez]

not fun. but funny. that ref needs to get his head on strait.

[BurntGrits]

Word? Damn... any pumpers?

[Jamez]

a couple. I got shot in the face by one...

[BurntGrits]

I wish I could have made it... the lotus came in yesterday and I wont be able to shoot it for another two weeks. :(

[josh]

it wasnt fun when a fight broke out......

Aaron, were you like, "Stop fighting, it's not nice! Come on guys, Stop it!"

haha just messin. Wish I could come to PBC more than once a year.

[bloodyswimmingpool]

what?! im confused...it rained all day! Did it not rain at PBC? I knew i should have called the field. Thats what i get for assuming. I'll be out there early in the morning tomorrow

And why did they get into a fight? thats ridiculous. See stupid stuff like that ruins it all for everyone. Keep your egos at home...or on the internet.

[Bermy]

what?! im confused...it rained all day! Did it not rain at PBC? I knew i should have called the field. Thats what i get for assuming. I'll be out there early in the morning tomorrow

And why did they get into a fight? thats ridiculous. See stupid stuff like that ruins it all for everyone. Keep your egos at home...or on the internet.

I had my Ego with me, on the field where it belongs. Your Ego (or lesser gun) should have been there also.

[bloodyswimmingpool]

I had my Ego with me, on the field where it belongs. Your Ego (or lesser gun) should have been there also.

:laugh8kb: yeah that type of Ego is acceptable.

[Paintbala4life]

Word? Damn... any pumpers?

yeah, me and edward played pump.

[pballer4life]

Perhaps if there was a good enough turnout PBC might consider opening speedball again. :rolleyes5cz: Maybe something miniscule like once a month? I wanted to play, but just didn't want to pay for the whole scenario. I was informed that I wasn't the only one who wanted to do so. Maybe its a good sign for opening speedball every now and then? :confused1bb:

[Paintbala4life]

I doubt it

[BurntGrits]

sad face...

Once a month would be great, the field should be able to do it. I think.

[Jamez]

:sad9cd:i hope that what happened on friday doesnt affect future speedball...

[jojo750]

:sad9cd:i hope that what happened on friday doesnt affect future speedball...

if there was "fighting" involved, im sure they made a note of it.

keep your fingers crossed. all you can do is ask skeeter and brain and hope for the best.

[Jamez]

Yep. Why didn't you show up joey?

[jojo750]

Yep. Why didn't you show up joey?

i work for a living. sorry.

[EMPIRE11]

yupp i hope they have more speedball!

[Rapchizzle]

i work for a living. sorry.

We missed you bro.

[Skeeter]

We were running speedball, twice a month, all last summer & most of last fall. Our last two days of attendance... 6 people, 3 people. I wish there was a way to get speedball to work, but in 12 years of business... It just doesn't... If we were to try it once a month, I guarantee that the first event would draw a decent crowd, and then it would drop by 20% each subsequent event, until there are only 3-4 players, and we would be forced to cancel it again.

There are LOTS of people that voice out their desire to play speedball, but when it is time to show up and play, very few people show up.

Completely disregarding the BS on Friday night (including some annoyances in the parking lot), we would LOVE to see our field draw a crowd.

Another thing to look at is “where are they now?” It would seem that ALL of the speedball oriented fields within about 180 miles are GONE now… Ever wonder why? I know (knew) most of the owners of these fields. Some nice folks, and I wouldn’t blame all of the failures on bad management (or ownership). It’s the format… The day that speedball players are willing to show up in good numbers, and “PAY” to play, will be the day that a speedball oriented field will survive.

PBC has been around since ’97. We have invested thousands and thousands of dollars into that side of the sport. For almost 12 years now… It has always been a parasitic aspect of our business. We will still offer it, from time to time, but don’t expect it to become a routine event, until we have the attendance to justify keeping it open as a fixture of our schedule. When that happens, we will gladly accommodate the desires of our players.

[mini ben]

If you allowed 10 bps ramp, and had a regulation xball/uspl field it would probably draw in a lot of people. You can't practice for tournaments on non regulation semi fields.

[Deeply Disturbed]

If you allowed 10 bps ramp, and had a regulation xball/uspl field it would probably draw in a lot of people. You can't practice for tournaments on non regulation semi fields.

qft.

[Bermy]

We were running speedball, twice a month, all last summer & most of last fall. Our last two days of attendance... 6 people, 3 people. I wish there was a way to get speedball to work, but in 12 years of business... It just doesn't... If we were to try it once a month, I guarantee that the first event would draw a decent crowd, and then it would drop by 20% each subsequent event, until there are only 3-4 players, and we would be forced to cancel it again.

There are LOTS of people that voice out their desire to play speedball, but when it is time to show up and play, very few people show up.

Completely disregarding the BS on Friday night (including some annoyances in the parking lot), we would LOVE to see our field draw a crowd.

Another thing to look at is “where are they now?” It would seem that ALL of the speedball oriented fields within about 180 miles are GONE now… Ever wonder why? I know (knew) most of the owners of these fields. Some nice folks, and I wouldn’t blame all of the failures on bad management (or ownership). It’s the format… The day that speedball players are willing to show up in good numbers, and “PAY” to play, will be the day that a speedball oriented field will survive.

PBC has been around since ’97. We have invested thousands and thousands of dollars into that side of the sport. For almost 12 years now… It has always been a parasitic aspect of our business. We will still offer it, from time to time, but don’t expect it to become a routine event, until we have the attendance to justify keeping it open as a fixture of our schedule. When that happens, we will gladly accommodate the desires of our players.

PBC (Paint Ball Central) makes everyone "pay". They scan all of their inventory, and require all players sign the same waivers and charge each and every player there. Their prices are comparable to Paintball Charleston, except they are FPO and we are BYOP. The reason they have such a following of tournament players, and so many players every weekend is because they keep themselves current with the rules and layouts of speedball. That's it, no big secrets, nothing in the water up there. They choose to accommodate woodsballers and Tournament players (I'm not saying speedballers anymore). They have tournament practices, and we have the bastard child of woodsball and airball (in the sense of layout and rules). Paintball Charleston would surpass PBC in the fact that BYOP is still an option, and you have guys at the field that are HUNGRY to learn. Without any disrespect intended, I have never seen so many people show up to play the format with the proper gear yet be so inept in the actual play of the game itself. That shows there is room to grow, the demand is there.

[Bermy]

I have never seen so many people show up to play the format with the proper gear yet be so inept in the actual play of the game itself. That shows there is room to grow, the demand is there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P49Jqa3qbg0
Example #1

[Skeeter]

If you allowed 10 bps ramp, and had a regulation xball/uspl field it would probably draw in a lot of people. You can't practice for tournaments on non regulation semi fields.

Idea for ya... Go out and buy/rent some property. Purchase and set up a regulation xball field (oh-my, there is an "X" in the middle). Get your field safety certified, obtain insurance (and pay for the entire first year in advance, which they all require), negotiate contracts with HPA & CO2 vendors (or even purchase your own compressor for $15,000+), pay for your business license & retail license, hire some refs, buy fill stations, chronos & all of the other required infrastructure... Give that a try and see how long it works for ya...

The reason that Friday night was so popular, is because it was packaged into a scenario. Yes, 2 players DID pay for only speedball, but that was after they made a long drive, under the assumption that it was "FREE". If we host a speedball night only, we will be lucky to get 20 players, once a month.

[RBKpumper]

If you allowed 10 bps ramp, and had a regulation xball/uspl field it would probably draw in a lot of people. You can't practice for tournaments on non regulation semi fields.

Idea for ya... Go out and buy/rent some property. Purchase and set up a regulation xball field (oh-my, there is an "X" in the middle). Get your field safety certified, obtain insurance (and pay for the entire first year in advance, which they all require), negotiate contracts with HPA & CO2 vendors (or even purchase your own compressor for $15,000+), pay for your business license & retail license, hire some refs, buy fill stations, chronos & all of the other required infrastructure... Give that a try and see how long it works for ya...


miniben:
moneypaintball.org and theres a nice clear plot of land for sale right across the street from PBC.

accept cash "donations" from everyone who wants to play at your private field. pay for paint out of pocket and charge cost for it.

you and your buddies dont need insurance to play in your back yard if you wanted to. who says you need it if you own a private field?

[Bermy]

Idea for ya... Go out and buy/rent some property. Purchase and set up a regulation xball field (oh-my, there is an "X" in the middle). Get your field safety certified, obtain insurance (and pay for the entire first year in advance, which they all require), negotiate contracts with HPA & CO2 vendors (or even purchase your own compressor for $15,000+), pay for your business license & retail license, hire some refs, buy fill stations, chronos & all of the other required infrastructure... Give that a try and see how long it works for ya...

The reason that Friday night was so popular, is because it was packaged into a scenario. Yes, 2 players DID pay for only speedball, but that was after they made a long drive, under the assumption that it was "FREE". If we host a speedball night only, we will be lucky to get 20 players, once a month.

I paid $35 for Speedball only.

[Bermy]

and i bet they made you pay for air on top of that. can you say raped?

No, I did not. Were the charging in the store? Were others charged?

[mini ben]

I know Aaron and Brandon paid $35 to play speedball friday night.

I'm just saying that it would bring a lot more people to the speedball field if it was a regulation field w/ regulation rules. Where did you get the whole I should build my own field?

If you host an airball field once a month. Yes, you won't get many players.

If you host a xball/uspl field once a month you will get many more.

[EMPIRE11]

I know Aaron and Brandon paid $35 to play speedball friday night.

I'm just saying that it would bring a lot more people to the speedball field if it was a regulation field w/ regulation rules. Where did you get the whole I should build my own field?

If you host an airball field once a month. Yes, you won't get many players.

If you host a xball/uspl field once a month you will get many more.





no $45

[Bermy]

no $45

I prepaid like 1 1/2 weeks in advance, is that the reason?

[pballer4life]

I know Aaron and Brandon paid $35 to play speedball friday night.

I'm just saying that it would bring a lot more people to the speedball field if it was a regulation field w/ regulation rules. Where did you get the whole I should build my own field?

If you host an airball field once a month. Yes, you won't get many players.

If you host a xball/uspl field once a month you will get many more.

I was about to pay 45 too. I don't think that Ben is that right on the uspl/xball idea but I will say this: although the speedball field might be a bad idea you still have it. And I am guessing that 20+ players would easily pay the reffing fee(s) and still put a little profit towards PBC. Assuming they purchase their field fee, air, paint ect. It would add up right? Or at least make more money than the field sitting around doing nothing...

[mini ben]

I was about to pay 45 too. I don't think that Ben is that right on the uspl/xball idea but I will say this: although the speedball field might be a bad idea you still have it. And I am guessing that 20+ players would easily pay the reffing fee(s) and still put a little profit towards PBC. Assuming they purchase their field fee, air, paint ect. It would add up right? Or at least make more money than the field sitting around doing nothing...

No that wouldn't. By having the upkeep of the field needed to play, the cost would outdo the profit. It's not just a matter of paying refs and blowing up bunkers, but to keep the field nice, grass, and other upkeep needed.

Don't forget that many refs are also speedball players, so when the field is open they would want to play. Leaving recball short on staff.

[Bermy]

No that wouldn't. By having the upkeep of the field needed to play, the cost would outdo the profit. It's not just a matter of paying refs and blowing up bunkers, but to keep the field nice, grass, and other upkeep needed.

Don't forget that many refs are also speedball players, so when the field is open they would want to play. Leaving recball short on staff.

Field upkeep it negligible. Cut the grass, the in-ground watering system is already installed, maintaining the bunkers is quite inexpensive (patch kits dude, you can afford them). The real waste is the field itself sitting there unused.....it's a shame.

[pballer4life]

The real waste is the field itself sitting there unused.....it's a shame.


That's what I'm saying. I think once a month is a good bet. No more than that, or it will lose the fanfare thereby drawing in less players. And no less or they'll just be watching a bad investment get worse.

[Bermy]

That's what I'm saying. I think once a month is a good bet. No more than that, or it will lose the fanfare thereby drawing in less players. And no less or they'll just be watching a bad investment get worse.

I disagree. Why would you turn away paying customers? The field WILL draw more people with a regulation field, simple as that. Woodsballers progress to airball (the natural order of things, we all started in the woods), and you develop clientele from what you already have. At this point argument is futile, you choose to expand or you don't. Stay in your comfort zone or take a risk and leave it.

[bloodyswimmingpool]

moneypaintball.org:laugh8kb::laugh8kb::laugh8kb: Wow what a joke! oh wait they are trying to be serious. thats cute. I love the part when they said insurance is the easiest part. Oh and recession proof your business with using touch screen point of sale...so if companys invested a couple grand for touch screen cash registers they would see multimillion profits? :laugh8kb: I wonder how many people they have scammed. Wait No credit checks instant financing? WOOT!:rolleyes5cz:

[Bermy]

moneypaintball.org:laugh8kb::laugh8kb::laugh8kb: Wow what a joke! oh wait they are trying to be serious. thats cute. I love the part when they said insurance is the easiest part. Oh and recession proof your business with using touch screen point of sale...so if companys invested a couple grand for touch screen cash registers they would see multimillion profits? :laugh8kb: I wonder how many people they have scammed. Wait No credit checks instant financing? WOOT!:rolleyes5cz:

Your over-use of smilies deserves it's own "rolleyes" or whatever, if it weren't so damn ironic. Anyway, Atomix paintball bought into those guys, they have a nice compressor on a trailer, quite portable.

[RBKpumper]

moneypaintball.org:laugh8kb::laugh8kb::laugh8kb: Wow what a joke! oh wait they are trying to be serious. thats cute.

theyve sold plenty of field packages. I believe Atomix in georgia, aaron said was built using this site and they are doing very well. and ill quote aaron saying "its the most beautiful field hes played at"(or something along those lines).

[Jamez]

I personally Think that the feild is petty nice. Its not One of the nicest out there, but we have one. We've just got to deal with what we have. Like skeeter said, We just need to acually get out there and play on it instead of whining about how its not good enough. All the nice insurance and stuff would be cool, but who's going to pay for all of that when we are all sitting around talking about it? Also, I think that half of the people that come out, are interested in playing alot of speedball if we got it together. Tons of new people out at the feild and still all of the same from the past years. We definately have the experience and stuff to make this fun. We just have to commit to it.

[Bermy]

I personally Think that the feild is petty nice. Its not One of the nicest out there, but we have one. We've just got to deal with what we have. Like skeeter said, We just need to acually get out there and play on it instead of whining about how its not good enough. All the nice insurance and stuff would be cool, but who's going to pay for all of that when we are all sitting around talking about it? Also, I think that half of the people that come out, are interested in playing alot of speedball if we got it together. Tons of new people out at the feild and still all of the same from the past years. We definately have the experience and stuff to make this fun. We just have to commit to it.

This is true, you don't need a brand new field with the most current layout to get better and have a good time doing it. You do need to open the ****er to the players every once and a while though.....

[Jamez]

Yessir

[mini ben]

But, a regulation field would draw more players and skill levels on a consistent basis.

[Bermy]

But, a regulation field would draw more players and skill levels on a consistent basis.

Yes, yes it will. It will also greatly improve the players that are already out here. Those *better* players will go out and compete against other teams in actual leagues and place higher than they would have if they had not played the layout. This in turn will draw other teams, and so on and so on.

[mini ben]

True, I have never practiced a layout before playing a tournament. Good chance that lead to not playing as well and placing.

[RBKpumper]

you guys realize your words are falling on deaf ears(blind eyes i guess in this particular instance).

[Bermy]

At this point argument is futile, you choose to expand or you don't. Stay in your comfort zone or take a risk and leave it.

I posted this an entire page back, get on the ball, Casey.

[jojo750]

True, I have never practiced a layout before playing a tournament. Good chance that lead to not playing as well and placing.

you never practice speedball either.
oh yeah, you played with karnage those few practices.

[mini ben]

you never practice speedball either.
oh yeah, you played with karnage those few practices.

Lol, I don't know if you can consider that practice. Or us sitting around and playing a few points as they discus their game plan.

[Bermy]

you never practice speedball either.
oh yeah, you played with karnage those few practices.

Pow, right in the kissa.

[jojo750]

oh wait, I never practice speedball.
and dont really care if we place when we go. so..... (waiting for bermy).

[Paintbala4life]

No that wouldn't. By having the upkeep of the field needed to play, the cost would outdo the profit. It's not just a matter of paying refs and blowing up bunkers, but to keep the field nice, grass, and other upkeep needed.

Don't forget that many refs are also speedball players, so when the field is open they would want to play. Leaving recball short on staff.

and if the refs that want to play speedball were willing to work something out in advance, involving reffing speedball for free? We need to find something that works for the field, so it can stay open.

[jojo750]

and if the refs that want to play speedball were willing to work something out in advance, involving reffing speedball for free? We need to find something that works for the field, so it can stay open.

you should get to work on that immediately.

figure something out and pm skeeter.
im sure he would want to hear how reffing speedball for free would help ....

so you know in advance, for speedball, there has to be a certified ref there. so if there are none available from the field, there would be no speedball. mr mike stepped up last year so the speedball field could be open 2 times a month. and at times, he was the only ref on the field.
so it takes more than offering free refs for this to happen.

[Paintbala4life]

you should get to work on that immediately.

figure something out and pm skeeter.
im sure he would want to hear how reffing speedball for free would help ....

so you know in advance, for speedball, there has to be a certified ref there. so if there are none available from the field, there would be no speedball. mr mike stepped up last year so the speedball field could be open 2 times a month. and at times, he was the only ref on the field.
so it takes more than offering free refs for this to happen.

Trying to give ideas, no need for that. I would be willing to ref. I meant out of the certified refs that would be playing speedball, and not reffing recball. To solve that problem work out something in which they take turns. A more organized method.

I did not only mean that speedball players take turns reffing and playing.
And how would reffing for free not help? It would save having to pay a ref at least.

[jojo750]

if you havent figured out yet, this has been offered many times over. it just doesnt work that way with the owners.
they staff recball first.

then worry about speedball. the only reason the field was opened 2 times a month last year (for the time it was open) was because mr mike said he would do it.
many people have offered to do it, certified refs and non certified.
my point was if you think you have a solution, pm it to skeeter.

dont like what i have to say, tough. just telling you the facts.

been there, dont that. for the past few years trying to help speedball along.

[Paintbala4life]

I pm'd skeeter before posting on this thread for the first time.
I know, I've seen speedball get up and go down within a few weeks/months. I'm just offering my time for speedball (or recball while speedball is going on), couldn't hurt at least.

[jojo750]

like i said, if there isnt a certified, on staff referee available, it doesnt matter how many volunteers he gets for speedball.

[Paintbala4life]

I'm on staff.

[jojo750]

I'm on staff.

congrats.

willing to bet he wont open speedball if you offer to ref for free?

[Paintbala4life]

aw and I thought he would...
because thats what I was going for.

[Rapchizzle]

I'll ref speedball for free.

[SCBrian]

Instead of sitting and whining, why don’t you all get together and pony up some $$ for a private speedball day. The rates are in another thread. Do this a time or 3 and Skeeter/Brain might start thinking about it differently. And I believe the last time Mike reffed there were 2 players out there. It all comes down to put up or shut up…

[jojo750]

Instead of sitting and whining, why don’t you all get together and pony up some $$ for a private speedball day. The rates are in another thread. Do this a time or 3 and Skeeter/Brain might start thinking about it differently. And I believe the last time Mike reffed there were 2 players out there. It all comes down to put up or shut up…

you mean if we get 15 volunteers to ref for free, they wont open it?? :shocked7fl:

ps. i know the answer.

[jojo750]

but i have to agree with brian.

someone organize a private speedball party. 20 people. $20 each. (might be cheaper -- think skeeter offered a lower price with no paint included).
do that once or twice and maybe they will open back up 1 day a month.

[richie90]

a couple. I got shot in the face by one...

Haha, i puled off a nice shot on one of the pump players right in the face. (it was my first day of speedball!!)

[richie90]

Anyone have any pictures posted up from the day?

[jojo750]

yeah they're right here link

[josh]

dangit joey.

I fell for it. :)

[Jamez]

haha. me too

[Derek-TeamExiled]

haha same here. he got us good!
oh james has ricky's mom put up anymore pictures yet?

[Jamez]

yea. check the nation. There are some epic ones of me sliding. face right into the dorito then feet like over my head on the ground. You'll have to see them i think she has 2 sets up. go to cfoa then scroll down. Her user is draculad.

[jojo750]

crap. posted the wrong link..

try this one click here

[m0rning4est]

worked fine for me .....

[jojo750]

thank you jj.

[Mr. GQ]

All Right, I'll run the post. June 14th -Sunday. Who's interested in a private group? I'll work with Skeeter about rates for the group w/o paint. PM me if you want in. IF I get enough I'll front the $ and collect the week before.

[Deeply Disturbed]

ill play. havent been to pbc in awhile.

[Mr. GQ]

I'm up to 2

[bloodyswimmingpool]

I'm down. Let me know how much and when you need it by.

[IRONMIKE]

There is no way I can see Speedball like MiniBen and others want it.I too would love a regulation XBall field(or two),but there is no way at least 2 regulation teams would show up to play/practice even on an irregular basis.What Paintball Charleston can offer is recSpeedball,on a pickup team rotation.Twice a year we switch up the bunkers.If enough players show up, maybe a 5 man team can practice several games together if ok with everybody.I guess since tournament paintball is a team sport on regulated fields then any other kind of speedball is no good.:confused1bb:

[Bermy]

There is no way I can see Speedball like MiniBen and others want it.I too would love a regulation XBall field(or two),but there is no way at least 2 regulation teams would show up to play/practice even on an irregular basis.What Paintball Charleston can offer is recSpeedball,on a pickup team rotation.Twice a year we switch up the bunkers.If enough players show up, maybe a 5 man team can practice several games together if ok with everybody.I guess since tournament paintball is a team sport on regulated fields then any other kind of speedball is no good.:confused1bb:

Statistically, you are incorrect. With the amount of people in the area for one tournament team, just no support.

[jojo750]

i dont know what to say, but with derek paying for his team to play, that's the team i want in on.

[RBKpumper]

i dont know what to say, but with derek paying for his team to play, that's the team i want in on.

so they can honestly say they are sponsored by dereks mom?.. and i thought i was lucky when i was just getting her to make sandwiches for me.

[Bermy]

so they can honestly say they are sponsored by dereks mom?.. and i thought i was lucky when i was just getting her to make sandwiches for me.

Is "making sandwiches" what you kids call it now-a-days? I'm out of touch.....

[Deeply Disturbed]

Zing!

[RBKpumper]

Is "making sandwiches" what you kids call it now-a-days? I'm out of touch.....

i was actually referring to sandwiches...

but now that i think of it.. im sure between you, dereks mom, and i.. we could make one hot sandwich.

[jojo750]

wow. a spicy, cuban american cheese sandwich...

[Skeeter]

There is ONE simple way to get us to open (and keep open) the speedball fields: ATTENDANCE! We have a 9.5 page thread about how much demand there is, but every time we open the field, we don’t have enough players to justify it. There are 20 different people who contributed to the thread… Probably an average of 5-6 posts each. We have listened to this argument since the late ‘90s. A few VERY vocal people push for speedball, but the demand is not there.

I VIOLENTLY disagree with Mini-Ben’s statement that putting an “X” shaped bunker in the middle of the field will draw teams to Charleston. What is your obsession with bunker shape? An “X” ball field just has an “X” bunker. Get your head out of your descending colon realize that a single bunker or a certain shape does not bring players to a field. We can play 10 BPS, and even allow sideline coaching, if both teams are in agreement, but DROP your obsession with bunker shape!

Geoff & I have a proposition for EVERYONE who wants to play speedball. We will post a “speedball day”. We will announce it a few weeks in advance. WE will coordinate the registration process. All WE require is that everyone who wants to play, must register (and pay $17, which includes air) the week before. If we don’t have 20 players (pre registered), then everyone who pre-registered will get a full refund. We WILL NOT allow walk-on’s.

You are still welcome to schedule any speedball events that you want, but we can take that on that burden as well.

[Deeply Disturbed]

Sounds like a plan skeet skeet skeeeeeet. :)

[a2nadam]

We should totally have a top gun tournament.

[mini ben]

I VIOLENTLY disagree with Mini-Ben’s statement that putting an “X” shaped bunker in the middle of the field will draw teams to Charleston. What is your obsession with bunker shape? An “X” ball field just has an “X” bunker. Get your head out of your descending colon realize that a single bunker or a certain shape does not bring players to a field. We can play 10 BPS, and even allow sideline coaching, if both teams are in agreement, but DROP your obsession with bunker shape!


I guess I Should've put it as a "Race to..." field. My mistake. A regulation "X"ball field does not have 1 bunker, it is named off 1 bunker. I personally have never seed one of those big cans(snake corner), kapp triangle things(snake insert), or taco(?) (home) in a tournament.

An "X"ball field, had pins, more then one dorito, mini doritos, mayas, temples, minicakes, and an X(now a half X). So in turn an "X"ball field does have more then one bunker. So this has nothing to do with bunker shape. If there was an actual layout, teams could practice for actual tournaments. Many teams, even in the cfoa, practice the layout the weekend before. They know what works and what doesn't, they know angles, they know key bunkers. This sets them apart from someone just looking at the layout online.

I'm just voicing my opinion. I understand that my voice won't change anyone's mind.