Scenario Reffing : Spies : how to deal with them

[thumper]

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Scenario Reffing : Spies : how to deal with them
By Steers - Team Section8
1.21.2007

One of the greatest tragedies in scenario paintball might be when a player has created a masterpiece in which he/she is walking among the enemy and planning to disrupt and/or eliminate important targets and the referee rats them out.

Spies are a unique aspect of the game and in many ways helps the referees understand just what one player is capable of doing. Being a spy doesn’t necessarily mean that you are allowed to wear enemy tape and hold an enemy card. In the game, especially night, one player can wreak havoc with mission teams and base security and so much depends on the cooperation and trust with refs.

Things to remember at a scenario with or without spies:

1. As the ref, you have been placed higher than the player, that is, to judge and monitor. You are expected to be friendly but mainly to be professional. This entails you not allowing any player to hear your radio chatter or giving them hints that would lead to points being taken or given on any one side. Have you ever heard of a judge telling a contestant how to win? Of course not, that is cheating and so is this.

2. At times, it is necessary for you to act quickly. When the player approaches a ref and informs him of his/her intentions, the ref must take great care in what he/she does at that point. Talking on radios risks a new ref from shooting his mouth off and not paying attention could cause the plan to fail. For example: when a player intends to barrel tag several players by slowly working up a line, as the ref, you must work quickly and diligently by removing dead players from the line. In most cases, the player will say something to compromise the player and the plan will fail.

3. Plain and simple, if you rat out a player because you are a base ref or referee working closely with any one side, you have cheated and cannot handle the responsibility that you have been given. I personally believe that points should be awarded in these instances. If the player is doing an effective job, then let him/her do it and later congratulate them for their work. If the enemy player is ignorant, then that is their down fall and you as the ref MUST let them learn the lesson. Unless they ask about the rules, you are not to instruct in the process of their demise.

Obviously, if you hear of a player getting ready to do something sneaky, be quiet about it and do not spread the word. The only thing that player needs is for you to act at the opportune moment and allow him/her to do what they came to do. In most cases, you are grim reaper and it is your job to silence players and get them out before the others know what it going on. In real life, if the spy was cutting throats one by one, could any of his victims scream out? No, so be sure to silence them.

i feel dumber just reading this. obviously steers was a spy again and sounds like he had 1 bad incident so now hes goin to lash out at every scenario ref.

weither your a spy or not what the ref says goes.

as for the silencing part. it is paintball steers as i know u get off to the idea of being a real spy and "slicing peoples throats" the eliminated players are FULLY entitled to call themselves "hit" or "out" or "eliminated" as loud as they want. just as during a fire fight u would expect a referee to call you hit and let others know your out so they wont shoot at you. its all the same. have you ever heard of a referee "silencing" you when youre calling yourself "out". its a loop hole. as a ref you cant tell a player that hes not allowed to call himself out.

any field you go to where they explain safety before the game you will hear them say specifically. once your eliminated put you gun up yell "hit" or "out" and make yourway off the field. why should there be an exception to this when you go 'cutting throats' steers?

on the same note if i were in the line of guys u were barrel tagging i would call myself out. i wouldnt say "hey im out because steers slit my throat cause hes a spy" but i might say "out" or "eliminated" maybe just loud enough some1 could hear me. that way i wouldnt get shot any1 on my way out.

its not your place to tell a ref to silence themselves or an eliminated player thats tryin to get themselves off the field w/o getting shot more than they have to.

[Bonedaddy]

i think there were many good ponts to this post , i just want to know one thing why is it that this guy ktoninja is always whinning or crying about something? ninja please......

Originally Posted by Bonedaddy

i think there were many good ponts to this post , i just want to know one thing why is it that this guy ktoninja is always whinning or crying about something? ninja please......

i throw u in the same boat as steers...

i dont think anything was whiny about what i said. i pointed out that you cant tell and eliminated player that hes not allowed to say "hit" or "out"

u strike me as the same kinda scenario guy that would pitch a fit over something like this happening. haha

[DM5KILLA]

Originally Posted by Bonedaddy

i just want to know one thing why is it that this guy ktoninja is always whinning or crying about something? ninja please......

agreed...

BUT, i dont agree with everything steers said, i dont think he came off whining about it, this was just something that thumper started and steers just put his opinion IN A COMPLETELY NOT WHINEY WAY

Originally Posted by RecBallKing!

...says the guys whos favorite button is "report"...well second favorite next to the "submit usless reply" button.

qft...

[DM5KILLA]

no wonder RecBallQueen! got banned... but by the sound of things here, you are in a way posting for them, hmmm using their sn (that wich was banned) too hope this doesnt get you banned, cause we'd really miss you


BUT BACK ON TOPIC: players are entitled to call themselves hit or out but what if a producer(or field owner) would like to change that rule about players eliminated by spies...

whats the purpose of this thread?

[DM5KILLA]

Originally Posted by thumper

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he is looking to make a scenario reffing hand book i believe, this just being 1 section

[DeceasedVitality]

To bitch and whine and flame over someone calling themselves out loudly and the 'spy' getting raped because of it.

How the scenario is run and reffed is entirely up to the field owner or whoever organized the scenario. If they say that then whenever they brief players, they should say so. If they don't, ask.